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		<title>By: guessin</title>
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		<dc:creator>guessin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah it&#039;s shame i couldn&#039;t join the marching but i think next time we march in putrajaya where the impotent man n other stupid government people staying let them noe that we r mean business.maybe tis time 100 thousand ppl marching.coz najib such a small number of people protest only ten we should show tis how many people r not satisfied with government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah it&#8217;s shame i couldn&#8217;t join the marching but i think next time we march in putrajaya where the impotent man n other stupid government people staying let them noe that we r mean business.maybe tis time 100 thousand ppl marching.coz najib such a small number of people protest only ten we should show tis how many people r not satisfied with government.</p>
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		<title>By: rtsegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtsegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRAVO MALAYSIANS</description>
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		<title>By: rtsegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtsegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was travelling from sp to kl on 10th nov 2007. i left my home at 6.15 am. At 6.25am, i endured a roadblock by PDRM just before the Sg.Petani [Selatan] Toll Gate... 

My wife and son was with me.. They checked my car. There was already a long queue before me.... 

Throughout my journey to KL i saw FRU trucks and police van.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was travelling from sp to kl on 10th nov 2007. i left my home at 6.15 am. At 6.25am, i endured a roadblock by PDRM just before the Sg.Petani [Selatan] Toll Gate&#8230; </p>
<p>My wife and son was with me.. They checked my car. There was already a long queue before me&#8230;. </p>
<p>Throughout my journey to KL i saw FRU trucks and police van.</p>
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		<title>By: JACK THE RIPPER</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACK THE RIPPER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the Malaysian.

This is our stepping stone toward a better Mother Land.

Thanks allot for all take part on this &quot;10 NOV 07 BERSIH Rally&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the Malaysian.</p>
<p>This is our stepping stone toward a better Mother Land.</p>
<p>Thanks allot for all take part on this &#8220;10 NOV 07 BERSIH Rally&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: YY88</title>
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		<dc:creator>YY88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to all the Brave Malaysian who have paved the road to a true Bangsa Malaysia in this peaceful march.

Lets this be a severe warning to Bodohwi and SIL that the Rakyat is the true boss of this country.l</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to all the Brave Malaysian who have paved the road to a true Bangsa Malaysia in this peaceful march.</p>
<p>Lets this be a severe warning to Bodohwi and SIL that the Rakyat is the true boss of this country.l</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALtPJK ,

I am no expert but from little I think I know our Yang di-Pertuan Agong is, by article 40(2) of our Federal Constitution, conferred the discretion to appoint the Prime Minister based on the important constitutional criteria of his belonging as a member to the Dewan Rakyat and by  article 43(2) of the Constitution his ability as well to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives.

He therefore theoretically can revoke appointment, appoint caretaker Prime Minister to pave the way to a general election if the Prime Minister no more commands the majority in Dewan Rakyat.

On 11 November 1975, AustraliaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Governor-General (Sir John Kerr) dismissed Gough Whitlam as Prime Minister because he no longer comanded clear majority in the lower House of Representatives and his party was a minority in the upper house of Senate in which opposition Liberal-National Country Party coalition had a majority.

The Senate dominated by Opposition refused to vote on governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s annual budget bills necessary to meet the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s financial comitments. The Lower House of Representatives would appear to do likewise.

Since government could not function because  Whitlam did not command majoity in both Houses, the Governor General replaced Whitlam with caretaker PM Malcom Fraser from the Opposition to pave the way towards general election. In the GE, the opposition Coalition led by Malcom won clear majority in both houses, resolved the constitutional impasse of the annual budget bills not being able to be passed.

The AustralianÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s experience does not apply to us because Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi controls clear majority in both Dewan Rakyat and Dewan Negara. There is no impasse or breakdown in workings of the government machinery. The King therefore cannot constitutionally remove the PM based on just the electoral reform issue. Neither does the electoral reform demands by Bersih request the Yang di Pertuan Agong to remove or dismiss the PM.

The memorandum to the King addresses basically two issues as far as I know:-

1.	Heed the demands of the people for widespread electoral reform, including the establishment of a Royal Commission to review and reform the electoral system;

2.	use his authority under Article 40(2) of the Federal Constitution to overrule any decision to dissolve Parliament as long as these four immediate demands are not met.

I think that request no. 1 is legally and constitutionally sanctioned. 

This is because the establishment of Royal Commission under the Commissions Of Enquiry Act 1950 (Revised 1973), whether to review and reform the electoral system or to enquire into the judicial fixing as per the LingamÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s video tape is the KingÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s discretion or prerogative which is exercisable if HRH deems fit to do so with or without or even contrary to the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice.

Where the Opposition is coming from as per request 2 is that there is no point - no level level playing field - for the PM to be allowed to call an earlier election before due date in 2009 based on timing fortutious to him and ruling coalition when there is no election reform to revamp the entire system militated in favour of the BN. 

So the Opposition in Bersih march had asked the King not to agree to the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s request for dissolution of Parliament for General Elections based on the AgongÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s prerogative under article 40(2) of the Federal Constitution.

The Opposition has done its homework here because the discretion of the King to dissolve parliament prematurely (before its constitutionally mandated due date) (which encompasses the corollary of not agreeing to dissolution as well) is personal ie, based on interpretation of the words of 40(2), not dependent on the advice of the Executive represented by the PM. 

The trickier part of Request No. 2 is that although the King is not required by Constitution to heed the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice on dissolution of parliament, convention in most common law jurisdictions however dictates that the constitutional monarch abides by wishes of the Prime Minister on this issue even if it means the PM could cherry pick the best date to dissolve parliament for election based on circumstances calculated to benefit the incumbent ruling coalition.

The ultimate question is whether the King will jettison convention that has been in practice since this countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s independence and as I said also practised in other common law jurisdictions.

For the King to discard convention and the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice to dissolve parliament there will be an array of conceivable objections for examples:

(a) The King is a constitutional (not an absolute) monarch : so why is he taking partisan role to side with opposition to disregard the wish of the PM commanding the majority oin parliament?

(b) After all in a parliamentary democracy, the theory at least is that PM representing majority in Parliament reflects majority of rakyat wish. In contrast the monarchÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s position is based on inherited power, wealth, influence and status for life - not on merit or popular public consent or past general election. 

(c) Is it consistent with at least the theoretical precepts of democracy Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and sovereignty of the people through their elected representatives in Parliament Ã¢â‚¬â€œ for a King not to follow convention to listen to the PM commanding majority in Parliament wishing a dissolution of Parliament just because the Opposition Parties do not want or wish so based on allegations regarding the electoral system?

For these and other reasons I would think the King would not exercise such discretion to accede to request No. 2 even if he otherwise agrees to request no. 1 (that is by itself also not certain).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALtPJK ,</p>
<p>I am no expert but from little I think I know our Yang di-Pertuan Agong is, by article 40(2) of our Federal Constitution, conferred the discretion to appoint the Prime Minister based on the important constitutional criteria of his belonging as a member to the Dewan Rakyat and by  article 43(2) of the Constitution his ability as well to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives.</p>
<p>He therefore theoretically can revoke appointment, appoint caretaker Prime Minister to pave the way to a general election if the Prime Minister no more commands the majority in Dewan Rakyat.</p>
<p>On 11 November 1975, AustraliaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Governor-General (Sir John Kerr) dismissed Gough Whitlam as Prime Minister because he no longer comanded clear majority in the lower House of Representatives and his party was a minority in the upper house of Senate in which opposition Liberal-National Country Party coalition had a majority.</p>
<p>The Senate dominated by Opposition refused to vote on governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s annual budget bills necessary to meet the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s financial comitments. The Lower House of Representatives would appear to do likewise.</p>
<p>Since government could not function because  Whitlam did not command majoity in both Houses, the Governor General replaced Whitlam with caretaker PM Malcom Fraser from the Opposition to pave the way towards general election. In the GE, the opposition Coalition led by Malcom won clear majority in both houses, resolved the constitutional impasse of the annual budget bills not being able to be passed.</p>
<p>The AustralianÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s experience does not apply to us because Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi controls clear majority in both Dewan Rakyat and Dewan Negara. There is no impasse or breakdown in workings of the government machinery. The King therefore cannot constitutionally remove the PM based on just the electoral reform issue. Neither does the electoral reform demands by Bersih request the Yang di Pertuan Agong to remove or dismiss the PM.</p>
<p>The memorandum to the King addresses basically two issues as far as I know:-</p>
<p>1.	Heed the demands of the people for widespread electoral reform, including the establishment of a Royal Commission to review and reform the electoral system;</p>
<p>2.	use his authority under Article 40(2) of the Federal Constitution to overrule any decision to dissolve Parliament as long as these four immediate demands are not met.</p>
<p>I think that request no. 1 is legally and constitutionally sanctioned. </p>
<p>This is because the establishment of Royal Commission under the Commissions Of Enquiry Act 1950 (Revised 1973), whether to review and reform the electoral system or to enquire into the judicial fixing as per the LingamÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s video tape is the KingÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s discretion or prerogative which is exercisable if HRH deems fit to do so with or without or even contrary to the governmentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice.</p>
<p>Where the Opposition is coming from as per request 2 is that there is no point &#8211; no level level playing field &#8211; for the PM to be allowed to call an earlier election before due date in 2009 based on timing fortutious to him and ruling coalition when there is no election reform to revamp the entire system militated in favour of the BN. </p>
<p>So the Opposition in Bersih march had asked the King not to agree to the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s request for dissolution of Parliament for General Elections based on the AgongÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s prerogative under article 40(2) of the Federal Constitution.</p>
<p>The Opposition has done its homework here because the discretion of the King to dissolve parliament prematurely (before its constitutionally mandated due date) (which encompasses the corollary of not agreeing to dissolution as well) is personal ie, based on interpretation of the words of 40(2), not dependent on the advice of the Executive represented by the PM. </p>
<p>The trickier part of Request No. 2 is that although the King is not required by Constitution to heed the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice on dissolution of parliament, convention in most common law jurisdictions however dictates that the constitutional monarch abides by wishes of the Prime Minister on this issue even if it means the PM could cherry pick the best date to dissolve parliament for election based on circumstances calculated to benefit the incumbent ruling coalition.</p>
<p>The ultimate question is whether the King will jettison convention that has been in practice since this countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s independence and as I said also practised in other common law jurisdictions.</p>
<p>For the King to discard convention and the PMÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s advice to dissolve parliament there will be an array of conceivable objections for examples:</p>
<p>(a) The King is a constitutional (not an absolute) monarch : so why is he taking partisan role to side with opposition to disregard the wish of the PM commanding the majority oin parliament?</p>
<p>(b) After all in a parliamentary democracy, the theory at least is that PM representing majority in Parliament reflects majority of rakyat wish. In contrast the monarchÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s position is based on inherited power, wealth, influence and status for life &#8211; not on merit or popular public consent or past general election. </p>
<p>(c) Is it consistent with at least the theoretical precepts of democracy Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and sovereignty of the people through their elected representatives in Parliament Ã¢â‚¬â€œ for a King not to follow convention to listen to the PM commanding majority in Parliament wishing a dissolution of Parliament just because the Opposition Parties do not want or wish so based on allegations regarding the electoral system?</p>
<p>For these and other reasons I would think the King would not exercise such discretion to accede to request No. 2 even if he otherwise agrees to request no. 1 (that is by itself also not certain).</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...to make my point at the ballot box--- but Jonny, I believe your urban ballot is worth the equivalent of 20% of a rural ballot, thanks to umno&#039;s gerrymandering</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;to make my point at the ballot box&#8212; but Jonny, I believe your urban ballot is worth the equivalent of 20% of a rural ballot, thanks to umno&#8217;s gerrymandering</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I couldn&#039;t join the procession. But I made my presence felt at Masjid Jamek LRT in Yellow T-shirt, enroute for a meeting. It doesn&#039;t matter where we are, we just have to speak out and make our presence felt.

Enroute, I managed to make new friend - and did allayed his fears.

Thus far, the Bully Negara has been successful. The Chinese&#039; balls did shrunk. Some did say, don&#039;t wear yellow! The Chinese has been forced to be submissive and just remain pragmatic and practical. To mind their own business, and slowly plan their way out of the country for a better future. On the grassroots, post-event, people have been talking. And I do my best to correct the wrong perceptions they getting from the tightly controlled media. This is the least I can do.

And of course, to make my point at the ballot box, whenever it is going to be.

I am going to stay put. 

INI ADALAH NEGARAKU. Tanah tumpahnya darahku!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I couldn&#8217;t join the procession. But I made my presence felt at Masjid Jamek LRT in Yellow T-shirt, enroute for a meeting. It doesn&#8217;t matter where we are, we just have to speak out and make our presence felt.</p>
<p>Enroute, I managed to make new friend &#8211; and did allayed his fears.</p>
<p>Thus far, the Bully Negara has been successful. The Chinese&#8217; balls did shrunk. Some did say, don&#8217;t wear yellow! The Chinese has been forced to be submissive and just remain pragmatic and practical. To mind their own business, and slowly plan their way out of the country for a better future. On the grassroots, post-event, people have been talking. And I do my best to correct the wrong perceptions they getting from the tightly controlled media. This is the least I can do.</p>
<p>And of course, to make my point at the ballot box, whenever it is going to be.</p>
<p>I am going to stay put. </p>
<p>INI ADALAH NEGARAKU. Tanah tumpahnya darahku!</p>
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		<title>By: lupus</title>
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		<dc:creator>lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my now regard is that I could not be there.  Hopefully the next one I can come back for.  Mostly likely to be arrested and not allowed to return oversea!!!  But we do not raise to those who seek to suppress the people, we will always be no better than Burma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my now regard is that I could not be there.  Hopefully the next one I can come back for.  Mostly likely to be arrested and not allowed to return oversea!!!  But we do not raise to those who seek to suppress the people, we will always be no better than Burma</p>
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		<title>By: ALtPJK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALtPJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to Jeffrey&#039;s comments above on &quot;what&#039;s going to happen next&quot; I would like to add the following.

I am not familiar with Constitutional Law and the likes, but I would like to throw in one possible scenario.  It may turn out to be &#039;naive&#039; and can be shot down with a one-liner or it can start some interesting discussions.

Malaysia is a constitional monarchy akin to but perhaps not exactly like some other Commonwealth countries but its basis from Reid&#039;s Commission surely must strike some similarities.  Queen Elizabeth II, rising above politics, may have intervened in some matters in the UK.  The Governor-General of Australia, who is the representative of its monarch (strangely enough the Queen of UK) had sacked the Prime Minister of Australia in 1975.  The question is &quot;Does DYMM YDP Agong have a similar role in perhaps in intervening in the affairs if this electoral reform issue comes to a stalemate and potentially sparking possible election boycott?&quot;. 

Perhaps someone with expert knowledge can shed some light on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to Jeffrey&#8217;s comments above on &#8220;what&#8217;s going to happen next&#8221; I would like to add the following.</p>
<p>I am not familiar with Constitutional Law and the likes, but I would like to throw in one possible scenario.  It may turn out to be &#8216;naive&#8217; and can be shot down with a one-liner or it can start some interesting discussions.</p>
<p>Malaysia is a constitional monarchy akin to but perhaps not exactly like some other Commonwealth countries but its basis from Reid&#8217;s Commission surely must strike some similarities.  Queen Elizabeth II, rising above politics, may have intervened in some matters in the UK.  The Governor-General of Australia, who is the representative of its monarch (strangely enough the Queen of UK) had sacked the Prime Minister of Australia in 1975.  The question is &#8220;Does DYMM YDP Agong have a similar role in perhaps in intervening in the affairs if this electoral reform issue comes to a stalemate and potentially sparking possible election boycott?&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps someone with expert knowledge can shed some light on this.</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Can somebody tell me why the majority of demonstrators were from one race? Very few Indians. Is it a case of Ã¢â‚¬Å“where the wind blows??Ã¢â‚¬Â - Undergrad2

Folks,

Please look at this statement by Undergrad2. Any difference from the usual race divide and conquer rhetorics by BN??

It is very different. If I ask, how come there are few Chinese at the rally? Does that make me a racist and MCA? If you don&#039;t know the answer to a question and it is not compulsory for you to answer, just ignore it. 

&quot;Are we gonna look at everything from a race perspective? 
Are we gonna be another BN, should the Opposition form the next government?&quot; 

Most of the time, we have to. If BA formed the next govt, most policies will still be formulated base on race, but that doesn&#039;t BA will be racist. Yes, we don&#039;t want BA to be BN in many other ways, for example, corrupted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Can somebody tell me why the majority of demonstrators were from one race? Very few Indians. Is it a case of Ã¢â‚¬Å“where the wind blows??Ã¢â‚¬Â &#8211; Undergrad2</p>
<p>Folks,</p>
<p>Please look at this statement by Undergrad2. Any difference from the usual race divide and conquer rhetorics by BN??</p>
<p>It is very different. If I ask, how come there are few Chinese at the rally? Does that make me a racist and MCA? If you don&#8217;t know the answer to a question and it is not compulsory for you to answer, just ignore it. </p>
<p>&#8220;Are we gonna look at everything from a race perspective?<br />
Are we gonna be another BN, should the Opposition form the next government?&#8221; </p>
<p>Most of the time, we have to. If BA formed the next govt, most policies will still be formulated base on race, but that doesn&#8217;t BA will be racist. Yes, we don&#8217;t want BA to be BN in many other ways, for example, corrupted.</p>
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		<title>By: grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are too far away from all of you. In fact I am just as eager to add to the number on that day. 
Anyway, rest assured that 40thousand there represent at least 75% of all of us. Millions are with you all in spirit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are too far away from all of you. In fact I am just as eager to add to the number on that day.<br />
Anyway, rest assured that 40thousand there represent at least 75% of all of us. Millions are with you all in spirit!</p>
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		<title>By: Short-sleeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short-sleeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can somebody tell me why the majority of demonstrators were from one race? Very few Indians. Is it a case of Ã¢â‚¬Å“where the wind blows??Ã¢â‚¬Â - Undergrad2

Folks,

Please look at this statement by Undergrad2. Any difference from the usual race divide and conquer rhetorics by BN??

Are we gonna look at everything from a race perspective??
Are we gonna be another BN, should the Opposition form the next government?

50 years of independence, and we still got idiots going on about race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can somebody tell me why the majority of demonstrators were from one race? Very few Indians. Is it a case of Ã¢â‚¬Å“where the wind blows??Ã¢â‚¬Â &#8211; Undergrad2</p>
<p>Folks,</p>
<p>Please look at this statement by Undergrad2. Any difference from the usual race divide and conquer rhetorics by BN??</p>
<p>Are we gonna look at everything from a race perspective??<br />
Are we gonna be another BN, should the Opposition form the next government?</p>
<p>50 years of independence, and we still got idiots going on about race.</p>
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		<title>By: GRRRRRRR&#8230;Geram/jelak today.. &#171; A Malaysian Cuddly Family</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRRRRRRR&#8230;Geram/jelak today.. &#171; A Malaysian Cuddly Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: megaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>megaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey,

Although, it matters whether the opposition can replace the current government in proper once it is toppled by people power but a more important fact remains, if this is a reality, the rakyat will realized that people power do exists and it is possible for the common folk to change how they will be govern. This is the true people power.

*People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.* (V For Vendetta - Alan Moore)

Hi Bigjoe,

Fully agree with you. What you said is so true. Political apathy is so entrenched in the non-malays especially the Chinese that it is hard to change now but change is needed.

But the danger of political apathy is well expressed in the poem written by a pastor, Martin NiemÃƒÂ¶ller in Nazi Germany.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn&#039;t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Hopefully, this doesn&#039;t come true in Malaysia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Although, it matters whether the opposition can replace the current government in proper once it is toppled by people power but a more important fact remains, if this is a reality, the rakyat will realized that people power do exists and it is possible for the common folk to change how they will be govern. This is the true people power.</p>
<p>*People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.* (V For Vendetta &#8211; Alan Moore)</p>
<p>Hi Bigjoe,</p>
<p>Fully agree with you. What you said is so true. Political apathy is so entrenched in the non-malays especially the Chinese that it is hard to change now but change is needed.</p>
<p>But the danger of political apathy is well expressed in the poem written by a pastor, Martin NiemÃƒÂ¶ller in Nazi Germany.</p>
<p>When the Nazis came for the communists,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I was not a communist.</p>
<p>When they locked up the social democrats,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I was not a social democrat.</p>
<p>When they came for the trade unionists,<br />
I did not speak out;<br />
I was not a trade unionist.</p>
<p>When they came for the Jews,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I wasn&#8217;t a Jew.</p>
<p>When they came for me,<br />
there was no one left to speak out.</p>
<p>Hopefully, this doesn&#8217;t come true in Malaysia.</p>
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		<title>By: optimuz</title>
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		<dc:creator>optimuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undergrad, people of all races were there...but the overwhelming majority were malays...mostly from PAS...at least in the wave that I was in..

Stop making this a race issue...you got something against indians?? In the wave that I was in there were more indians than there were Chinese...so what?? We were there together, regardless of race, religion and colour..where were you?? Comfy in your bed thousands of miles from here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undergrad, people of all races were there&#8230;but the overwhelming majority were malays&#8230;mostly from PAS&#8230;at least in the wave that I was in..</p>
<p>Stop making this a race issue&#8230;you got something against indians?? In the wave that I was in there were more indians than there were Chinese&#8230;so what?? We were there together, regardless of race, religion and colour..where were you?? Comfy in your bed thousands of miles from here?</p>
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		<title>By: Short-sleeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short-sleeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Timberland shoes were totally wet and soggy after the march. Was it worth it? Hell, yes!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Timberland shoes were totally wet and soggy after the march. Was it worth it? Hell, yes!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin Kit&#8217;s Garden &#187; Random Links 192 (Bersih Malaysia &#8220;Bonus&#8221; Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sivin Kit&#8217;s Garden &#187; Random Links 192 (Bersih Malaysia &#8220;Bonus&#8221; Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sharing my personal experience on the bersih gathering/march and what i have learnedâ€¦ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: St0rmFury</title>
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		<dc:creator>St0rmFury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was not thereÃ¢â‚¬Â¦..some might call me a coward for not having the courage to turn up.&lt;/i&gt; - sotong

If you have a valid reason (exams, sick, overseas etc) then no one will blame you. But if you&#039;re just simply scared, then lets hope you will take part in the next BERSIH rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was not thereÃ¢â‚¬Â¦..some might call me a coward for not having the courage to turn up.</i> &#8211; sotong</p>
<p>If you have a valid reason (exams, sick, overseas etc) then no one will blame you. But if you&#8217;re just simply scared, then lets hope you will take part in the next BERSIH rally.</p>
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		<title>By: year of snake</title>
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		<dc:creator>year of snake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you TT for your most informative experience.  Now come the next stage which I hope will happen, that is campaigning in the next General Election where we can meet and hear the candidates and judge for ourselves who we are going to vote for.  I guess the government will disallow this as they will be having candidates who are their cronies even though some of them are morons and imbeciles and if they were to campaign I am sure they will not be voted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you TT for your most informative experience.  Now come the next stage which I hope will happen, that is campaigning in the next General Election where we can meet and hear the candidates and judge for ourselves who we are going to vote for.  I guess the government will disallow this as they will be having candidates who are their cronies even though some of them are morons and imbeciles and if they were to campaign I am sure they will not be voted.</p>
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