Comments on: In the six mintues sequel of Lingam Tape, Lingam admitted he was talking to Fairuz http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-173557 lopez Thu, 07 May 2009 14:59:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-173557 maybe saving to be reviewed after GE 13 maybe saving to be reviewed after GE 13

]]> By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-54067 ENDANGERED HORNBILL Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:42:24 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-54067 Let's call a spade a spade. From time immemorial, shit has always smelled like shit no matter who shits! Bluntly, if the 3-members of Haidar's Panel had just a morsel, just a wee bit of integrity, they would not have accepted their appointments under such 'impossible' terms of reference. Verdict: This is a wayang kulit! A sandiwara. If u can trust Najib at all, you must believe that Malaysia is also at the forefront of space research and have joined the league of nations into space! He can con people who are 'kataks' and the illiterate kampung folks but surely, he can't waste yr time and mine. Let’s call a spade a spade. From time immemorial, shit has always smelled like shit no matter who shits!

Bluntly, if the 3-members of Haidar’s Panel had just a morsel, just a wee bit of integrity, they would not have accepted their appointments under such ‘impossible’ terms of reference.

Verdict: This is a wayang kulit! A sandiwara. If u can trust Najib at all, you must believe that Malaysia is also at the forefront of space research and have joined the league of nations into space! He can con people who are ‘kataks’ and the illiterate kampung folks but surely, he can’t waste yr time and mine.

]]> By: Counterpoint http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53861 Counterpoint Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:06:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53861 Yeah, this matter must be pursued to the end no matter what it takes. We can not let them sweep this under the carpet and expect everyone to forget and that in time everything's business as usual again. Yeah, this matter must be pursued to the end no matter what it takes. We can not let them sweep this under the carpet and expect everyone to forget and that in time everything’s business as usual again.

]]> By: boh-liao http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53851 boh-liao Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:09:03 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53851 Have you not seen a picture of three monkeys: one see not, one hear not, and one say not? Well, "When the going gets tough", it is not "the tough gets going" - but beware of operation lalang II. See what's happening in Pakistan? Sama sama. Have you not seen a picture of three monkeys: one see not, one hear not, and one say not?

Well, “When the going gets tough”, it is not “the tough gets going” – but beware of operation lalang II.

See what’s happening in Pakistan? Sama sama.

]]> By: Rocky http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53805 Rocky Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:43:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53805 they want to see the other part so that they can work on the counter strategy to make this go away. as long as they don't know what is there, they are not able to cover up. Thus the delay and the need for the whole tape, it is not to find out the truth. they want to see the other part so that they can work on the counter strategy to make this go away. as long as they don’t know what is there, they are not able to cover up. Thus the delay and the need for the whole tape, it is not to find out the truth.

]]> By: grace http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53792 grace Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:03:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53792 Mr Lim, Kindly keep up the heat on this tape scandal. This guy on the recording got away from his holidays with a former CJ in NZ. Let us hope that this rime around, make sure he is nailed! Many of people must have been unfairly judged by those stupid judges due to favour given to this crook!!! Mr Lim,
Kindly keep up the heat on this tape scandal.
This guy on the recording got away from his holidays with a former CJ in NZ.
Let us hope that this rime around, make sure he is nailed!
Many of people must have been unfairly judged by those stupid judges due to favour given to this crook!!!

]]> By: Bigjoe http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53789 Bigjoe Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:00:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53789 SIL challenging Nov 10 event clearly indicate the PM's clear refusal to have a Royal Commission. The hypocrite SIL calling on lawyers to contest election when he has not even gone up against anyone, clearly indicate willingness to bend rules to keep the Royal Comssion out of the picture. No the PM is too afraid to have a Royal Commission. How do you challenge the fear of the man of the highest office in the land with unquestioning power i.e., the elected Sultan? SIL challenging Nov 10 event clearly indicate the PM’s clear refusal to have a Royal Commission. The hypocrite SIL calling on lawyers to contest election when he has not even gone up against anyone, clearly indicate willingness to bend rules to keep the Royal Comssion out of the picture.

No the PM is too afraid to have a Royal Commission. How do you challenge the fear of the man of the highest office in the land with unquestioning power i.e., the elected Sultan?

]]> By: Lingam tape - Uncle Kit viewed the unreleased 6 mins. at carboncopy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53785 Lingam tape - Uncle Kit viewed the unreleased 6 mins. at carboncopy Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:11:21 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53785 [...] In the six-minute tape, Lingam mentioned that former Chief Justice, Tun Dzaiddin had wanted Justice Abdul Malek Ahmad (who died on 31st May 2007 as Court of Appeal President) to be the Chief Judge of Malaya but this was averted in a “power play” which resulted in Ahmad Fairuz being appointed the Chief Judge of Malaya instead. YB Lim Kit Siang [...] [...] In the six-minute tape, Lingam mentioned that former Chief Justice, Tun Dzaiddin had wanted Justice Abdul Malek Ahmad (who died on 31st May 2007 as Court of Appeal President) to be the Chief Judge of Malaya but this was averted in a “power play” which resulted in Ahmad Fairuz being appointed the Chief Judge of Malaya instead. YB Lim Kit Siang [...]

]]> By: Libra2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53747 Libra2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53747 Haider: The tape is a not genuine. This is the answer UMNO wants. LLT: I am confused and undecided. This is MCA's request. Mahadev: I am inclined to believe the tape is genuine. This is neither MIC's nor PPP's request as they are in conflict and they don't care a damn. Haider: The tape is a not genuine. This is the answer UMNO wants.
LLT: I am confused and undecided. This is MCA’s request.
Mahadev: I am inclined to believe the tape is genuine. This is neither MIC’s nor PPP’s request as they are in conflict and they don’t care a damn.

]]> By: Tulip Crescent http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53746 Tulip Crescent Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:20:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53746 Let us not count hairs while other enlightened ones are grappling with the beast. And yes, it is a beast I am talking about. If the promotions in the judiciary can be fixed, if cases can be fixed to rob an incumbent Member of Parliament of his seat that was justly won, something is amiss. And that something is not hairs! It is the beast. Let us do something to that beast lest it destroys us like Frankenstein destroyed his maker. Let us not count hairs while other enlightened ones are grappling with the beast.

And yes, it is a beast I am talking about. If the promotions in the judiciary can be fixed, if cases can be fixed to rob an incumbent Member of Parliament of his seat that was justly won, something is amiss. And that something is not hairs! It is the beast.

Let us do something to that beast lest it destroys us like Frankenstein destroyed his maker.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53745 undergrad2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:48:56 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53745 “Why didn’t the Haider Panel undertake a content-analysis, including calling up the witnesses including the senior lawyer involved, V.T. Lingam?” KIT V.K. Lingam as a witness? If there is a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, police investigation is initiated by the taking of witness statements as required under our Criminal Procedure Code. I believe V.K. Lingam has given his statement to the ACA. Calling V.K. as a witness to appear before the Panel - without immunity from prosecution first being agreed - would be a waste of time because he has the right not to answer questions if by answering he would incriminate himself. The common law right against self-incrimination comes into play putting needless to say an abrupt end to the Panel’s fishing expedition. Time is better spent counting hairs in his moustache! “Why didn’t the Haider Panel undertake a content-analysis, including calling up the witnesses including the senior lawyer involved, V.T. Lingam?” KIT

V.K. Lingam as a witness?

If there is a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, police investigation is initiated by the taking of witness statements as required under our Criminal Procedure Code. I believe V.K. Lingam has given his statement to the ACA.

Calling V.K. as a witness to appear before the Panel – without immunity from prosecution first being agreed – would be a waste of time because he has the right not to answer questions if by answering he would incriminate himself. The common law right against self-incrimination comes into play putting needless to say an abrupt end to the Panel’s fishing expedition.

Time is better spent counting hairs in his moustache!

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53742 undergrad2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:03:18 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53742 “As the MP for Bukit Glugor Karpal Singh had pointed out in this House, a copy of the Vijandran tape was adequate in the past and a Japanese expert could testify in court as to its authenticity.” KIT May I suggest a way out of the impasse if that is not too late. Why not we measure the circumference of Lingam’s waist and count the hairs he has in his moustache? We don’t need experts to testify in court as to whether it is V.K. Lingam we see on that tape. But if it comes to that, what is there to prevent both sides bringing their experts and have the experts slug it out in court so to speak. Knowing the cost of expert opinion these days, I’m sure the experts don’t mind. But first we need to charge V.K. Lingam for interfering with the administration of justice. Jeffrey QC can look up the Penal Code and tell us which offence Lingam has committed – if he has committed anything. I suspect it’s not going to stick. But the purpose is not so much in making the charge stick (as I presume V.K. Lingam is not the main focus here but the former CJ) but like in many defamation lawsuits, the purpose from the point of view of the party being sued is to get the aggrieved party to provide as much evidence in rebuttal that would implicate their witnesses - so that fresh charges could be filed against them. If Lingam is charged in court for some such offence, it is difficult to see how he could avoid taking the stand and testify in his own behalf. He does not have to but, in my opinion, he’d need to. As for the Vijayan tape, I have seen the recording many times in the company of females who were just as excited to see if politicians knew something about methodology that they don’t already know. Needless to say they came out disappointed. But strange to say nobody among them claimed that it was not Vijayan on that tape. Do they know something I don’t?? “As the MP for Bukit Glugor Karpal Singh had pointed out in this House, a copy of the Vijandran tape was adequate in the past and a Japanese expert could testify in court as to its authenticity.” KIT

May I suggest a way out of the impasse if that is not too late. Why not we measure the circumference of Lingam’s waist and count the hairs he has in his moustache? We don’t need experts to testify in court as to whether it is V.K. Lingam we see on that tape. But if it comes to that, what is there to prevent both sides bringing their experts and have the experts slug it out in court so to speak. Knowing the cost of expert opinion these days, I’m sure the experts don’t mind.
But first we need to charge V.K. Lingam for interfering with the administration of justice. Jeffrey QC can look up the Penal Code and tell us which offence Lingam has committed – if he has committed anything. I suspect it’s not going to stick. But the purpose is not so much in making the charge stick (as I presume V.K. Lingam is not the main focus here but the former CJ) but like in many defamation lawsuits, the purpose from the point of view of the party being sued is to get the aggrieved party to provide as much evidence in rebuttal that would implicate their witnesses – so that fresh charges could be filed against them. If Lingam is charged in court for some such offence, it is difficult to see how he could avoid taking the stand and testify in his own behalf. He does not have to but, in my opinion, he’d need to.

As for the Vijayan tape, I have seen the recording many times in the company of females who were just as excited to see if politicians knew something about methodology that they don’t already know. Needless to say they came out disappointed. But strange to say nobody among them claimed that it was not Vijayan on that tape. Do they know something I don’t??

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53741 undergrad2 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:22:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53741 Whatever the case may be, the legal fraternity should be grateful to the Haidar (or "hide-away") panel for introducing a new legal defense i.e. the "haidar" defense which can be summarised simply as "when something looks like a duck, moves like a duck and makes noise like a duck" it is a tape. Whatever the case may be, the legal fraternity should be grateful to the Haidar (or “hide-away”) panel for introducing a new legal defense i.e. the “haidar” defense which can be summarised simply as “when something looks like a duck, moves like a duck and makes noise like a duck” it is a tape.

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53738 Godfather Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:59:13 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53738 ....and how to cover-up if records indicate a conversation of similar length between Lingam and Fairuz did indeed take place. ….and how to cover-up if records indicate a conversation of similar length between Lingam and Fairuz did indeed take place.

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53736 Godfather Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:34:08 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53736 I am speculating that all 3 find it impossible to authenticate the videoclip as genuine, but that one of the three believes that there are other means of determining whether such a conversation took place. Then the den of thieves would run around like headless chickens to figure out how to determine if a conversation did take place between Lingam and Fairuz. I am speculating that all 3 find it impossible to authenticate the videoclip as genuine, but that one of the three believes that there are other means of determining whether such a conversation took place.

Then the den of thieves would run around like headless chickens to figure out how to determine if a conversation did take place between Lingam and Fairuz.

]]> By: grace http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53735 grace Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:15:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53735 I believe Anwar is waiting for the clowns to declare the recording faked and then comes the full recording to prove them wrong. If I were the panel member, I would declare it to be authentic. You think Awar can go and ask Bollywood actor to impersonate Lingam aah? It is not easy lo! It would be a fool who only declare the tape was faked!!! I believe Anwar is waiting for the clowns to declare the recording faked and then comes the full recording to prove them wrong.

If I were the panel member, I would declare it to be authentic. You think Awar can go and ask Bollywood actor to impersonate Lingam aah?
It is not easy lo!
It would be a fool who only declare the tape was faked!!!

]]> By: k1980 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53734 k1980 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:22 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53734 When the education minister waved the traditional Malay dagger in a clear warning to Malaysia's minority communities last year, he was roundly applauded by party delegates. His name continues to be thrown around as a future candidate for prime minister. ...leadership in the Abdullah era has placed ever more emphasis on appearance over substance. The administration's anti-corruption drive finds cops wearing "I am against corruption" pins, but by many accounts corruption is as rampant as it has ever been. Key institutions like the judiciary, police force and print media are all still badly in need of reform. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/IK07Ae01.html When the education minister waved the traditional Malay dagger in a clear warning to Malaysia’s minority communities last year, he was roundly applauded by party delegates. His name continues to be thrown around as a future candidate for prime minister. …leadership in the Abdullah era has placed ever more emphasis on appearance over substance. The administration’s anti-corruption drive finds cops wearing “I am against corruption” pins, but by many accounts corruption is as rampant as it has ever been. Key institutions like the judiciary, police force and print media are all still badly in need of reform.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/IK07Ae01.html

]]> By: Boneka http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53732 Boneka Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:51:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53732 If three guys cannot sit at a table and produce one Report, that too on an important matter, I don't think they are serious about their responsibilities to King and Country. I think Haidar is trying to hoodwink everybody. Whatever their individual Reports contain should be thrown out and a PROPER ROYAL COMMISION should be set up. YAB PM, PLEASE DON'T TAKE US MALAYSIANS TO BE 'FOOLS'. If three guys cannot sit at a table and produce one Report, that too on an important matter, I don’t think they are serious about their responsibilities to King and Country. I think Haidar is trying to hoodwink everybody. Whatever their individual Reports contain should be thrown out and a PROPER ROYAL COMMISION should be set up. YAB PM, PLEASE DON’T TAKE US MALAYSIANS TO BE ‘FOOLS’.

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53729 HJ Angus Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:03:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53729 I just returned from Hanoi - No they have not overtaken us yet but I reckon in 12 to 15 years time. The people there are hard-working and it is only a question of time... Meanwhile here is a light-hearted view of the 3-man panel. http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/11/waiting-for-vanna-white.html I just returned from Hanoi – No they have not overtaken us yet but I reckon in 12 to 15 years time.

The people there are hard-working and it is only a question of time…
Meanwhile here is a light-hearted view of the 3-man panel.
http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/11/waiting-for-vanna-white.html

]]> By: toniXe http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/comment-page-1/#comment-53728 toniXe Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:42:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/06/in-the-six-mintues-sequel-of-lingam-tape-lingam-admitted-he-was-talking-to-fairuz/#comment-53728 we are watching a very very slow motion ancient movie lah , not vijayans type of action one ! 2 months watching 15 minutes video still havent reach ending ah ? no wonder vienam overtook us already ! we are watching a very very slow motion ancient movie lah , not vijayans type of action one !

2 months watching 15 minutes video still havent reach ending ah ?

no wonder vienam overtook us already !

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