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	<title>Comments on: Ahmad Fairuz&#8217; unproductive record as CJ in writing judgments</title>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget today&#039;s Bugis Street is a ghost of its former self. Those days law undergrads from Singapore University would make a bee line to Bugis Street over the weekend to let off steam - and sometimes accompanied by their girlfriends!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget today&#8217;s Bugis Street is a ghost of its former self. Those days law undergrads from Singapore University would make a bee line to Bugis Street over the weekend to let off steam &#8211; and sometimes accompanied by their girlfriends!</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You sure know your history.

But Rais would not be too pleased with you because you forgot to mention he was MB for Negri in the 70s. Also you forgot to mention his favourite means of transport as an undergrad - an old MGB GT which he used to woo the girls and among them the University&#039;s Freshie Queen of 1967. You also forgot to mention his favourtie haunt - Bugis Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! You sure know your history.</p>
<p>But Rais would not be too pleased with you because you forgot to mention he was MB for Negri in the 70s. Also you forgot to mention his favourite means of transport as an undergrad &#8211; an old MGB GT which he used to woo the girls and among them the University&#8217;s Freshie Queen of 1967. You also forgot to mention his favourtie haunt &#8211; Bugis Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Oppenheimer was Vice Chancellor (don&#039;t know who was dean of law fac then), and Fairuz (Class of 67 with 71 graduating some of whom are senior partners of KL big law firms today, and yes he was senior to Rais by 2 or 3 years but don&#039;t forget before Rais read law in NUS (then University of Malaya in Singapore), he had studied and graduated from Language Institute, Kuala Lumpur, taught Bahasa Malaysia to the American Peace Corps in the United States in 1968, and graduating in law with honors from NUS sometimes in 1974(?) Rais went into private practice (Ram &amp; Rais in Seremban), Fairuz to Penang as magistrate. In 1994, Rais obtained a PhD from the University of London for his doctoral dissertation &quot;Freedom Under Executive Power in Malaysia: A Study of Executive Supremacy&quot;. 

Senior to Fairuz was Prof Jeyakumar yr 63&#039;, now deputy PM of S&#039;pore, Prof Tommy Koh 61&#039; (Chairman of UN Law of the Sea, now in ASEAN high level committee drafting ASEAN Charter) and even our LP Hamid (judicial crisis of 1988) was also trained in law fac in NUS, with the other one Chan Sek Keong &#039;61, appointed Chief Justice of Singapore on 11 April 2006!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Oppenheimer was Vice Chancellor (don&#8217;t know who was dean of law fac then), and Fairuz (Class of 67 with 71 graduating some of whom are senior partners of KL big law firms today, and yes he was senior to Rais by 2 or 3 years but don&#8217;t forget before Rais read law in NUS (then University of Malaya in Singapore), he had studied and graduated from Language Institute, Kuala Lumpur, taught Bahasa Malaysia to the American Peace Corps in the United States in 1968, and graduating in law with honors from NUS sometimes in 1974(?) Rais went into private practice (Ram &amp; Rais in Seremban), Fairuz to Penang as magistrate. In 1994, Rais obtained a PhD from the University of London for his doctoral dissertation &#8220;Freedom Under Executive Power in Malaysia: A Study of Executive Supremacy&#8221;. </p>
<p>Senior to Fairuz was Prof Jeyakumar yr 63&#8242;, now deputy PM of S&#8217;pore, Prof Tommy Koh 61&#8242; (Chairman of UN Law of the Sea, now in ASEAN high level committee drafting ASEAN Charter) and even our LP Hamid (judicial crisis of 1988) was also trained in law fac in NUS, with the other one Chan Sek Keong &#8217;61, appointed Chief Justice of Singapore on 11 April 2006!</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jeffrey.

So he was several years&#039; senior to Rais Yatim who shared the same alma mater when Oppenheimer was Vice Chancellor, at a time when the University of Malaya has yet to open its own Law Faculty.

Does anybody here know whether he was a regular visitor to the infamous  Bugis Street which LKY saw it fit to close down years later??

Perhaps that could be a clue to what V.K. Lingam was talking about when he screamed, &quot;korek, korek, korek...&quot; - not once but four times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeffrey.</p>
<p>So he was several years&#8217; senior to Rais Yatim who shared the same alma mater when Oppenheimer was Vice Chancellor, at a time when the University of Malaya has yet to open its own Law Faculty.</p>
<p>Does anybody here know whether he was a regular visitor to the infamous  Bugis Street which LKY saw it fit to close down years later??</p>
<p>Perhaps that could be a clue to what V.K. Lingam was talking about when he screamed, &#8220;korek, korek, korek&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; not once but four times.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undergrad2,

Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim received his Bachelor of Laws from the National University of Singapore and later obtained his Master of Laws in International and Comparative Laws from the University of Brussels, Belgium.

He joined the Malaysian Judicial and Legal Service on 4 April 1967 as a Cadet Legal Officer and held various positions such as President of Sessions Court, State Legal Advisor and Chairman of the Advisory Board, Prime Minister&#039;s Department. 

On 1 December 1988 he was appointed Judicial Commissioner of High Court Malaya and was later appointed a High Court Judge. On 1 December 1995 he was elevated as a Court of Appeal Judge until his appointment as a Federal Court Judge on 1 September 2000. 

Ahmad Fairuz was appointed Court of Appeal president in December 2002 - months after the alleged telephone conversation in video clip. Dzaiddin stepped down as CJ in 2003 and he was replaced by Ahmad Fairuz as CJ.

[Information above is in part from Wikipedia].

Personally have not read any of his judgments or articles in law journals if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undergrad2,</p>
<p>Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim received his Bachelor of Laws from the National University of Singapore and later obtained his Master of Laws in International and Comparative Laws from the University of Brussels, Belgium.</p>
<p>He joined the Malaysian Judicial and Legal Service on 4 April 1967 as a Cadet Legal Officer and held various positions such as President of Sessions Court, State Legal Advisor and Chairman of the Advisory Board, Prime Minister&#8217;s Department. </p>
<p>On 1 December 1988 he was appointed Judicial Commissioner of High Court Malaya and was later appointed a High Court Judge. On 1 December 1995 he was elevated as a Court of Appeal Judge until his appointment as a Federal Court Judge on 1 September 2000. </p>
<p>Ahmad Fairuz was appointed Court of Appeal president in December 2002 &#8211; months after the alleged telephone conversation in video clip. Dzaiddin stepped down as CJ in 2003 and he was replaced by Ahmad Fairuz as CJ.</p>
<p>[Information above is in part from Wikipedia].</p>
<p>Personally have not read any of his judgments or articles in law journals if any.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s so much anger lately on this website. I thought it&#039;d be a good idea to lose some of it &#039;in translation&#039;?? So here goes:

At the height of a political corruption trial, the prosecuting attorney attacked a witness. 

&quot;Isn&#039;t it true,&quot; he bellowed, &quot;that you accepted five thousand dollars to compromise this case?&quot;

The witness stared out the window as though he hadn&#039;t hear the question.

&quot;Isn&#039;t it true that you accepted five thousand dollars to compromise this case?&quot; the lawyer repeated.


The witness still did not respond.

Finally, the judge leaned over and said, &quot;Sir, please answer the question.&quot;

&quot;Oh,&quot; the startled witness said, &quot;I thought he was talking to you.&quot; 

(through the courtesy of cut n paste)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much anger lately on this website. I thought it&#8217;d be a good idea to lose some of it &#8216;in translation&#8217;?? So here goes:</p>
<p>At the height of a political corruption trial, the prosecuting attorney attacked a witness. </p>
<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t it true,&#8221; he bellowed, &#8220;that you accepted five thousand dollars to compromise this case?&#8221;</p>
<p>The witness stared out the window as though he hadn&#8217;t hear the question.</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t it true that you accepted five thousand dollars to compromise this case?&#8221; the lawyer repeated.</p>
<p>The witness still did not respond.</p>
<p>Finally, the judge leaned over and said, &#8220;Sir, please answer the question.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh,&#8221; the startled witness said, &#8220;I thought he was talking to you.&#8221; </p>
<p>(through the courtesy of cut n paste)</p>
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		<title>By: Justicewanted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justicewanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put Fairuz as the same calibre as his predecessors like Salleh, Azlan and Suffian whold be an insult to his predecessors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put Fairuz as the same calibre as his predecessors like Salleh, Azlan and Suffian whold be an insult to his predecessors</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind, Lord Denning (God rests his soul!) whose signed photograph I still have hanging somewhere.

But do you Jeffrey know  this CJ&#039;s alma mater, academic credentials and whether he has contributed articles to law journals  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind, Lord Denning (God rests his soul!) whose signed photograph I still have hanging somewhere.</p>
<p>But do you Jeffrey know  this CJ&#8217;s alma mater, academic credentials and whether he has contributed articles to law journals  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Justice Eusoffe Abdoolcader was a classic and poetic judge of the 1st class with 100% integrity and commitment, one of a kind that comes once in generation. Sad to say, the current CJ and his 2/3 predecessors are of the worst kind, bias and perhaps highly tainted. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Justice Eusoffe Abdoolcader was a classic and poetic judge of the 1st class with 100% integrity and commitment, one of a kind that comes once in generation. Sad to say, the current CJ and his 2/3 predecessors are of the worst kind, bias and perhaps highly tainted.</p>
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		<title>By: greenacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;could fine them&#039; should read could find them. sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;could fine them&#8217; should read could find them. sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: greenacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Denning said that the independence of the judge is the keystone. how could the public assess such a value ? It is their judgment in all areas law that come before them that the public can or could fine them. That yardstick will explain it to all now and posterity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Denning said that the independence of the judge is the keystone. how could the public assess such a value ? It is their judgment in all areas law that come before them that the public can or could fine them. That yardstick will explain it to all now and posterity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Failing to write can also means no payment or payment have been arrange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failing to write can also means no payment or payment have been arrange.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey Says: 

October 22nd, 2007 at 17: 27.25 
&quot;I am not saying whether Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim is a better or worse judge than his predecessors but I say that one canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t judge the competence of the Chief Justice by the number of judgments that he has written alone.&quot;

Golly, this CJ sometimes have difficulty stringing together sensible sentences let alone write an erudite judgment worthy of a good read.

And when you have perused his 7 judgments, I hope you will not be aghast by his  so &#039;ordinary&#039; reasoning and decision. Now we are left to also suspect whether he has chosen to ignore some salient facts and yielded to arm-twisting by his political masters. What independence when he is tied to political umbilical cords that gave him birth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey Says: </p>
<p>October 22nd, 2007 at 17: 27.25<br />
&#8220;I am not saying whether Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim is a better or worse judge than his predecessors but I say that one canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t judge the competence of the Chief Justice by the number of judgments that he has written alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Golly, this CJ sometimes have difficulty stringing together sensible sentences let alone write an erudite judgment worthy of a good read.</p>
<p>And when you have perused his 7 judgments, I hope you will not be aghast by his  so &#8216;ordinary&#8217; reasoning and decision. Now we are left to also suspect whether he has chosen to ignore some salient facts and yielded to arm-twisting by his political masters. What independence when he is tied to political umbilical cords that gave him birth?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice Gopal Sri Ram stands out from the present crop by daring to be somewhat different in judicial approach, like a Lord Denning wannabe. His judgments are replete with citations of DenningÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s quotes. 

Justice Eusoffe Abdoolcader was a different kettle of fish. 

Extremely learned and wide read in law Ã¢â‚¬â€œ with razor sharp brain and a tongue to match - he terrified lesser beings. Even senior lawyers got ticked off. There was a joke making rounds whenever Eusoffe was to sit to hear a case. Besides law reports, bring along the English, Law and Latin dictionaries, just in case one needed to refer. Eusoffee (1st class honours in law and conferred honour of citizen of London in his 20s) was editor of Malayan Law Journals and hence had access to the latest cases decided fresh in London. He would just flash a copy of these cases and ask the lawyers, Ã¢â‚¬Å“you know about this case? I have photostated one for your continuous legal education!Ã¢â‚¬Â

We donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get this kind of judges anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice Gopal Sri Ram stands out from the present crop by daring to be somewhat different in judicial approach, like a Lord Denning wannabe. His judgments are replete with citations of DenningÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s quotes. </p>
<p>Justice Eusoffe Abdoolcader was a different kettle of fish. </p>
<p>Extremely learned and wide read in law Ã¢â‚¬â€œ with razor sharp brain and a tongue to match &#8211; he terrified lesser beings. Even senior lawyers got ticked off. There was a joke making rounds whenever Eusoffe was to sit to hear a case. Besides law reports, bring along the English, Law and Latin dictionaries, just in case one needed to refer. Eusoffee (1st class honours in law and conferred honour of citizen of London in his 20s) was editor of Malayan Law Journals and hence had access to the latest cases decided fresh in London. He would just flash a copy of these cases and ask the lawyers, Ã¢â‚¬Å“you know about this case? I have photostated one for your continuous legal education!Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>We donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get this kind of judges anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember there was a judge Abdolcadeer (sp?) I think who published some poetry to lament the death of his wife.

He did not last long after she left.

But coming back to the CJ&#039;s position. For some roles in a nation, even if you are an innocent party, the public perception is also important and based on the 600 odd results in my poll, the majority believe that an RCI is necessary; followed by a tribunal to try the CJ for misconduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember there was a judge Abdolcadeer (sp?) I think who published some poetry to lament the death of his wife.</p>
<p>He did not last long after she left.</p>
<p>But coming back to the CJ&#8217;s position. For some roles in a nation, even if you are an innocent party, the public perception is also important and based on the 600 odd results in my poll, the majority believe that an RCI is necessary; followed by a tribunal to try the CJ for misconduct.</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from Salleh, Azlan and Suffian (not my generation) non of the present bunch of judges has impressed me with their judgements. Just maybe with the exception of Sri Ram who dares to go against CJ. Cj and most of the other judges are really HP6. They were appointed not based on merits but because of colour and connection. CJ is absolutely useless. Anytime Sri Ram is better than CJ and Azmi. Some might beg to differ. Remember to err is only human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from Salleh, Azlan and Suffian (not my generation) non of the present bunch of judges has impressed me with their judgements. Just maybe with the exception of Sri Ram who dares to go against CJ. Cj and most of the other judges are really HP6. They were appointed not based on merits but because of colour and connection. CJ is absolutely useless. Anytime Sri Ram is better than CJ and Azmi. Some might beg to differ. Remember to err is only human.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On unproductive record as CJ in writing judgments, Dawsheng commented Ã¢â‚¬Å“Well, not surprise, afterall, heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a NEP qualified judgeÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ errr.!Ã¢â‚¬Â Ã¢â‚¬â€œ.

Beginning from 1980s, our politically backed language nationalists asserted the supremacy of Bahasa and suppressed English because of its colonial association. A whole generation of youngsters then becomes handicapped in English. In July 1990, Bahasa replaced English as the official language of the courts in West Malaysia, although English is still permitted to be used where necessary in the interest of Justice. If a whole generation of students has become handicapped, have the judges and our justice system too been a victim of this switch in language primacy and emphasis? (Our judgments are written in English since our laws are still based on common laws. Our statutes printed in both English and Bahasa but its the English version that is normally referred to and cited because the cannons of legal interpretation are still based on English principles). Unless one loves and is proficient in English Ã¢â‚¬â€œ it is essential tool in the legal trade Ã¢â‚¬â€œ wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t writing judgments become an arduous task, which possibly explains why there is such a backlog of cases for which no written judgments have been written, causing those who are making their appeals based on a written judgment to wait, and meanwhile languish in jails?

To be sure, writing a judicial judgment, and a good one at that, is not an easy task. One has to recite the facts of the case, then the law and finally how the law is applied to the facts of the case and then the judicial decision Ã¢â‚¬â€œ in English.

To recite the facts, a judge must first be a good listener. He has to listen to all the facts recounted by witnesses. He has to peruse meticulously fine prints of documents. These constitute the body of evidence. Then he must have a flair in story telling Ã¢â‚¬â€œ like to children. He has to use crisp and short sentences, avoid too bombastic words, write in simple English but delivered in interesting style. This is necessary because facts are detailed and complicated and best narrated in such a way. 

Then of course he has to cite the law. He needs to be erudite here, assisted by the lawyers, no doubt. Mere knowledge of the law does not connote however wise application of it to complicated matrix of facts. The judge needs as much an integrated understanding of various aspects of law, and how they interplay as much as intellectual skills to apply it to facts.

By intellectual skills, I mean not just analytical skills of dissecting a complicated problem into manageable sub component parts for easy handling. I also refer to a high level of intellectual abstraction, ie an ability to abstract and distil from a morass of facts and law, the essential principle. It is trite that if one is unable to abstract a principle, how can one hope to apply it?

Even if the principle is grasped, the application may not be easy. One must have a keen sense of what is relevant and what is not. And after having a sense of relevancy, it is still not sufficient. For every principle to be applied, there is often another or perhaps multiple principles competing with the first for application. One must be a juggler Ã¢â‚¬â€œ able to juggle, weigh and balance various competing principles and determine which one to apply that is both relevant as well as best serve the interest of justice between the parties in dispute and contention, in accordance with applicable law and not incompatible with public policy and other societal goals.

The entire process is best served by an organized mind, by reference to which I mean the ability to think in an organized fashion, where thoughts flow imperceptibly from one level to another in a logical flow. But again, this is not enough. To think in an organized way does not automatically translate to being able to express in writing in the same fashion Ã¢â‚¬â€œ unless one has strong command of the language and regular practice and interest in writing.

I shall let the great English judge of 38 years, Lord Alfred Denning, ((23 January, 1899Ã¢â‚¬â€œ6 March, 1999 to leave you some thoughts on his approach to judgment writing that have endeared him to generations of law students, practitioners and common wealth judges alike, and I quote:-
 
Ã¢â‚¬Å“I start my judgment, as it were, with a prologueÃ¢â‚¬â€as the chorus does in one of ShakespeareÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s playsÃ¢â‚¬â€to introduce the story....I draw the characters as they truly areÃ¢â‚¬â€using their real names....I avoid long sentences like the plague, because they lead to obscurity. It is no good if the [reader] cannot follow them....I refer sometimes to previous authoritiesÃ¢â‚¬â€I have to do soÃ¢â‚¬â€because I know that people are prone not to accept my views unless they have support in the books. But never at much length. Only a sentence or two. I avoid all reference to pleadings and ordersÃ¢â‚¬â€They are mere lawyerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s stuff. They are unintelligible to everyone else. I finish with a conclusionÃ¢â‚¬â€an epilogueÃ¢â‚¬â€again as the chorus does in Shakespeare. In it, I gather the threads together and give the resultÃ¢â‚¬Â. (Unquote)

[Oh, by the way, Denning had a double first in mathematics and a first in law double first in mathematics in Oxford University. He had a penchant to read English literature Ã¢â‚¬â€œ Shakespeare, Milton, Keats, Worthsworth, Coleridge, all the masters of the language Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and because he could master the complexities of the language, with its bombastic and sometimes archaic words and the convoluted sentence structure, so he could have this uncanny ability to simplify it to electrify his readers].

The question is : Can our Ã¢â‚¬ËœNEPÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ Judges (to borrow the colourful words of Dawsheng) rise up to the challenge of the task in judgment writing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On unproductive record as CJ in writing judgments, Dawsheng commented Ã¢â‚¬Å“Well, not surprise, afterall, heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a NEP qualified judgeÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ errr.!Ã¢â‚¬Â Ã¢â‚¬â€œ.</p>
<p>Beginning from 1980s, our politically backed language nationalists asserted the supremacy of Bahasa and suppressed English because of its colonial association. A whole generation of youngsters then becomes handicapped in English. In July 1990, Bahasa replaced English as the official language of the courts in West Malaysia, although English is still permitted to be used where necessary in the interest of Justice. If a whole generation of students has become handicapped, have the judges and our justice system too been a victim of this switch in language primacy and emphasis? (Our judgments are written in English since our laws are still based on common laws. Our statutes printed in both English and Bahasa but its the English version that is normally referred to and cited because the cannons of legal interpretation are still based on English principles). Unless one loves and is proficient in English Ã¢â‚¬â€œ it is essential tool in the legal trade Ã¢â‚¬â€œ wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t writing judgments become an arduous task, which possibly explains why there is such a backlog of cases for which no written judgments have been written, causing those who are making their appeals based on a written judgment to wait, and meanwhile languish in jails?</p>
<p>To be sure, writing a judicial judgment, and a good one at that, is not an easy task. One has to recite the facts of the case, then the law and finally how the law is applied to the facts of the case and then the judicial decision Ã¢â‚¬â€œ in English.</p>
<p>To recite the facts, a judge must first be a good listener. He has to listen to all the facts recounted by witnesses. He has to peruse meticulously fine prints of documents. These constitute the body of evidence. Then he must have a flair in story telling Ã¢â‚¬â€œ like to children. He has to use crisp and short sentences, avoid too bombastic words, write in simple English but delivered in interesting style. This is necessary because facts are detailed and complicated and best narrated in such a way. </p>
<p>Then of course he has to cite the law. He needs to be erudite here, assisted by the lawyers, no doubt. Mere knowledge of the law does not connote however wise application of it to complicated matrix of facts. The judge needs as much an integrated understanding of various aspects of law, and how they interplay as much as intellectual skills to apply it to facts.</p>
<p>By intellectual skills, I mean not just analytical skills of dissecting a complicated problem into manageable sub component parts for easy handling. I also refer to a high level of intellectual abstraction, ie an ability to abstract and distil from a morass of facts and law, the essential principle. It is trite that if one is unable to abstract a principle, how can one hope to apply it?</p>
<p>Even if the principle is grasped, the application may not be easy. One must have a keen sense of what is relevant and what is not. And after having a sense of relevancy, it is still not sufficient. For every principle to be applied, there is often another or perhaps multiple principles competing with the first for application. One must be a juggler Ã¢â‚¬â€œ able to juggle, weigh and balance various competing principles and determine which one to apply that is both relevant as well as best serve the interest of justice between the parties in dispute and contention, in accordance with applicable law and not incompatible with public policy and other societal goals.</p>
<p>The entire process is best served by an organized mind, by reference to which I mean the ability to think in an organized fashion, where thoughts flow imperceptibly from one level to another in a logical flow. But again, this is not enough. To think in an organized way does not automatically translate to being able to express in writing in the same fashion Ã¢â‚¬â€œ unless one has strong command of the language and regular practice and interest in writing.</p>
<p>I shall let the great English judge of 38 years, Lord Alfred Denning, ((23 January, 1899Ã¢â‚¬â€œ6 March, 1999 to leave you some thoughts on his approach to judgment writing that have endeared him to generations of law students, practitioners and common wealth judges alike, and I quote:-</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“I start my judgment, as it were, with a prologueÃ¢â‚¬â€as the chorus does in one of ShakespeareÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s playsÃ¢â‚¬â€to introduce the story&#8230;.I draw the characters as they truly areÃ¢â‚¬â€using their real names&#8230;.I avoid long sentences like the plague, because they lead to obscurity. It is no good if the [reader] cannot follow them&#8230;.I refer sometimes to previous authoritiesÃ¢â‚¬â€I have to do soÃ¢â‚¬â€because I know that people are prone not to accept my views unless they have support in the books. But never at much length. Only a sentence or two. I avoid all reference to pleadings and ordersÃ¢â‚¬â€They are mere lawyerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s stuff. They are unintelligible to everyone else. I finish with a conclusionÃ¢â‚¬â€an epilogueÃ¢â‚¬â€again as the chorus does in Shakespeare. In it, I gather the threads together and give the resultÃ¢â‚¬Â. (Unquote)</p>
<p>[Oh, by the way, Denning had a double first in mathematics and a first in law double first in mathematics in Oxford University. He had a penchant to read English literature Ã¢â‚¬â€œ Shakespeare, Milton, Keats, Worthsworth, Coleridge, all the masters of the language Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and because he could master the complexities of the language, with its bombastic and sometimes archaic words and the convoluted sentence structure, so he could have this uncanny ability to simplify it to electrify his readers].</p>
<p>The question is : Can our Ã¢â‚¬ËœNEPÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ Judges (to borrow the colourful words of Dawsheng) rise up to the challenge of the task in judgment writing?</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a huge laugh when the ACA let out that they will charge Anwar if he does not hand over the full Lingam video.  Arrest him? It would be the best gift they can give to Keadilan just before the election.

Now Anwar will come out looking like a hero no matter how this turns out and those UMNO-running dogs will end up with crap over their faces...  

It sure sign of chaos on this issue on the BN side and our PM is the most confused one over what to do..They just don&#039;t know what to do really and hopping this will go away somehow..

The opposition should know they have blood at this stage. They should start a campaign community-by-community over this issue....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a huge laugh when the ACA let out that they will charge Anwar if he does not hand over the full Lingam video.  Arrest him? It would be the best gift they can give to Keadilan just before the election.</p>
<p>Now Anwar will come out looking like a hero no matter how this turns out and those UMNO-running dogs will end up with crap over their faces&#8230;  </p>
<p>It sure sign of chaos on this issue on the BN side and our PM is the most confused one over what to do..They just don&#8217;t know what to do really and hopping this will go away somehow..</p>
<p>The opposition should know they have blood at this stage. They should start a campaign community-by-community over this issue&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is the court of first instance will have its decision overturned on appeal - but then it would be reversed by the highest court of the land, the Federal Court! Guess what that verdict would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is the court of first instance will have its decision overturned on appeal &#8211; but then it would be reversed by the highest court of the land, the Federal Court! Guess what that verdict would be?</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My GOD!!! The trial is not over yet?? I&#039;m ashamed to admit I&#039;m a Malaysian. Can I burn my M&#039;san passport in protest in front of the M&#039;san Embassy in Washington DC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My GOD!!! The trial is not over yet?? I&#8217;m ashamed to admit I&#8217;m a Malaysian. Can I burn my M&#8217;san passport in protest in front of the M&#8217;san Embassy in Washington DC?</p>
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