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	<title>Comments on: Who lied? Zam or Pak Lah?</title>
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		<title>By: Incredulity : Bolehland</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-69661</link>
		<dc:creator>Incredulity : Bolehland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tell the press editors that he&#8217;ll only listen to Barisan Nasional component parties and not the media or the public. What&#8217;s worse, there was never a denial that the instruction came from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tell the press editors that he&#8217;ll only listen to Barisan Nasional component parties and not the media or the public. What&#8217;s worse, there was never a denial that the instruction came from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mateRealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-52223</link>
		<dc:creator>mateRealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ya RealWorld, long time no see.

I&#039;m not rich, and I&#039;ve only been to Singapore twice. But I can safely vouch for Chee Yong that the flats there aren&#039;t SGD800k. One relative of mine bought one in Upper Serangoon, about 700 - 800 square feet, three tiny bedrooms, two bathrooms, for SGD250k plus only, nowhere near half of SGD800k. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s HDB though, but I think it is.

I&#039;m worried that you might have been taken for many rides, in thinking that a HDB flat can cost SGD800k. You may be telling the truth, there may be some with this price, but I believe you can definitely find others with less than half the price. Be a wise consumer! An honourable man as rich as you surely knows this inside out, upside down.

1.6k square-foot in Singapore IS INDEED a penthouse to me!
Yes, you&#039;ve made it quite clear that you&#039;re rich, but I&#039;d still like to admonish you to spend wisely. In Malaysia, you don&#039;t know what the corrupt government will do. You may be rich today, and robbed clean tomorrow. Better save some for rainy days, ya!

Selamat Hari Raya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ya RealWorld, long time no see.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not rich, and I&#8217;ve only been to Singapore twice. But I can safely vouch for Chee Yong that the flats there aren&#8217;t SGD800k. One relative of mine bought one in Upper Serangoon, about 700 &#8211; 800 square feet, three tiny bedrooms, two bathrooms, for SGD250k plus only, nowhere near half of SGD800k. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s HDB though, but I think it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m worried that you might have been taken for many rides, in thinking that a HDB flat can cost SGD800k. You may be telling the truth, there may be some with this price, but I believe you can definitely find others with less than half the price. Be a wise consumer! An honourable man as rich as you surely knows this inside out, upside down.</p>
<p>1.6k square-foot in Singapore IS INDEED a penthouse to me!<br />
Yes, you&#8217;ve made it quite clear that you&#8217;re rich, but I&#8217;d still like to admonish you to spend wisely. In Malaysia, you don&#8217;t know what the corrupt government will do. You may be rich today, and robbed clean tomorrow. Better save some for rainy days, ya!</p>
<p>Selamat Hari Raya!</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-52040</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abang Zak, the Towering Malay and Hero of UMNO.  Hero of RealWorld.  

CEMERLANG, GEMILANG, TEMBERANG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abang Zak, the Towering Malay and Hero of UMNO.  Hero of RealWorld.  </p>
<p>CEMERLANG, GEMILANG, TEMBERANG</p>
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		<title>By: AShiokNaut</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-52019</link>
		<dc:creator>AShiokNaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha.... rw, cheeyong, St0rmFury, you are all(so) right. same same over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha&#8230;. rw, cheeyong, St0rmFury, you are all(so) right. same same over here.</p>
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		<title>By: St0rmFury</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-52012</link>
		<dc:creator>St0rmFury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better to start afresh than continue the rot. By the way, power and money are not the roots of evil. If you want to get technical, it is the love of power and money which is the root of all evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to start afresh than continue the rot. By the way, power and money are not the roots of evil. If you want to get technical, it is the love of power and money which is the root of all evil.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeyong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-52001</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeyong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely- Lord Acton.

Lets say if I&#039;m in power, I&#039;ll not be well liked by my own family but loved by the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely- Lord Acton.</p>
<p>Lets say if I&#8217;m in power, I&#8217;ll not be well liked by my own family but loved by the people.</p>
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		<title>By: RealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51968</link>
		<dc:creator>RealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m in BNÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦..and if I call the shots, you can see NEP goes out the window and replaced with either DAP bajet or PKR Agenda Ekonomi Baru&quot; - cheeyong

Would you put Zakaria Deros or Abang Zak (for some of us - I like his sunglasses) in charge of whatever budget you be implementing??

Ok on a more serious note, would you bring in family members? And would you give a helping hand to a &#039;deserving uncle of yours&#039; a business license to help him out a little??

I say this because I have seen this happened. Once one ascend the throne of power, you just can never tell. Power and money, they are the roots of all evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m in BNÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦..and if I call the shots, you can see NEP goes out the window and replaced with either DAP bajet or PKR Agenda Ekonomi Baru&#8221; &#8211; cheeyong</p>
<p>Would you put Zakaria Deros or Abang Zak (for some of us &#8211; I like his sunglasses) in charge of whatever budget you be implementing??</p>
<p>Ok on a more serious note, would you bring in family members? And would you give a helping hand to a &#8216;deserving uncle of yours&#8217; a business license to help him out a little??</p>
<p>I say this because I have seen this happened. Once one ascend the throne of power, you just can never tell. Power and money, they are the roots of all evil.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeyong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51932</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeyong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes RealWorld, if I&#039;m in BN........and if I call the shots, you can see NEP goes out the window and replaced with either DAP bajet or PKR Agenda Ekonomi Baru

But thats a dream only.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes RealWorld, if I&#8217;m in BN&#8230;&#8230;..and if I call the shots, you can see NEP goes out the window and replaced with either DAP bajet or PKR Agenda Ekonomi Baru</p>
<p>But thats a dream only&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: AShiokNaut</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51929</link>
		<dc:creator>AShiokNaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amusing development... see you around, rw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amusing development&#8230; see you around, rw</p>
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		<title>By: Raitman</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51926</link>
		<dc:creator>Raitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See you around, buddy  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See you around, buddy  :)</p>
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		<title>By: RealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51925</link>
		<dc:creator>RealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyway, I shall leave you to your assumptions TOO. Be MORE creative ok.&quot; - Raitman

Dude, would love to stay and chat but gotta rush for a golf game with 2 MCA and 1 PPP buddies. 

Cheerio! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyway, I shall leave you to your assumptions TOO. Be MORE creative ok.&#8221; &#8211; Raitman</p>
<p>Dude, would love to stay and chat but gotta rush for a golf game with 2 MCA and 1 PPP buddies. </p>
<p>Cheerio! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Raitman</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51924</link>
		<dc:creator>Raitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;.......you still have your goggles on?&quot;

&quot;You are now in the business of making assumptions?&quot;

AREN&#039;T YOU NOT?

Anyway, I shall leave you to your assumptions TOO. Be MORE creative ok.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;.you still have your goggles on?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You are now in the business of making assumptions?&#8221;</p>
<p>AREN&#8217;T YOU NOT?</p>
<p>Anyway, I shall leave you to your assumptions TOO. Be MORE creative ok.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: St0rmFury</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51923</link>
		<dc:creator>St0rmFury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We should have more of you in BN. - RealWorld&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;This I agree with you. In fact, we should replace most of the clowns in BN with people like cheeyong.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We should have more of you in BN. &#8211; RealWorld</i></p>
<p><b>This I agree with you. In fact, we should replace most of the clowns in BN with people like cheeyong.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Raitman</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51920</link>
		<dc:creator>Raitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Do you ever REBUKED and EXPOSED your comrades who are corrupted, evil, racist, keris-waving and policies that are detrimental towards development in this blog BY GIVING A CLEAR-CUT EXAMPLES SINCE YOU DID NOT CONDONED ALL THESE?Ã¢â‚¬Â

&quot;When Godfather uttered his insults on Islam Hadhari here, did you rebuked him by MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT CONDONE insults hurled at another religion?
When bystander issued his racist comments about the malays being stupid etc, did you rebuked him by MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT CONDONE racist remarks?&quot;

Tell you what, you do it first, then next me, ok. How&#039;s that?

After all, you said &quot;......you are very new in Malaysian politics.&quot;

I have much to learn from you. 

After you, sir.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Do you ever REBUKED and EXPOSED your comrades who are corrupted, evil, racist, keris-waving and policies that are detrimental towards development in this blog BY GIVING A CLEAR-CUT EXAMPLES SINCE YOU DID NOT CONDONED ALL THESE?Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>&#8220;When Godfather uttered his insults on Islam Hadhari here, did you rebuked him by MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT CONDONE insults hurled at another religion?<br />
When bystander issued his racist comments about the malays being stupid etc, did you rebuked him by MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU DO NOT CONDONE racist remarks?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell you what, you do it first, then next me, ok. How&#8217;s that?</p>
<p>After all, you said &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;you are very new in Malaysian politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have much to learn from you. </p>
<p>After you, sir.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: RealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51919</link>
		<dc:creator>RealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother, after all our debates I come to think that you honestly want to see this Malaysia of ours to be great. 
We should have more of you in BN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother, after all our debates I come to think that you honestly want to see this Malaysia of ours to be great.<br />
We should have more of you in BN.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeyong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51910</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeyong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you only brother, a special deal 1 time offer, you&#039;re insan yg teramat mulia yg paling bijak....hahahaha.....

Apa macam........bagus? Angkat ego hang naik langit.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you only brother, a special deal 1 time offer, you&#8217;re insan yg teramat mulia yg paling bijak&#8230;.hahahaha&#8230;..</p>
<p>Apa macam&#8230;&#8230;..bagus? Angkat ego hang naik langit&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51897</link>
		<dc:creator>RealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Didnt know the word bodoh has scarred you for life  I replaced with lemah thenÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.&quot; - cheeyong

Dude, whatever suit your fancy, man. You can call me whatever la from bodoh to lemah, if that makes you pandai or kuat, I am happy for you. And am sure your mommy and daddy are all proud with cheeyong, their boy calling me names. All their sweat to put you through college is finally bearing fruits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Didnt know the word bodoh has scarred you for life  I replaced with lemah thenÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.&#8221; &#8211; cheeyong</p>
<p>Dude, whatever suit your fancy, man. You can call me whatever la from bodoh to lemah, if that makes you pandai or kuat, I am happy for you. And am sure your mommy and daddy are all proud with cheeyong, their boy calling me names. All their sweat to put you through college is finally bearing fruits.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51892</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I did insult Islam Hadhari - not the religion, but the self-proclaimed Imam of Islam Hadhari who said funny things like &quot;We are not in the business of cheating the people.&quot;  Things like &quot;I am fair, I will always be fair.&quot;  Things like &quot;We must investigate for the sake of the rakyat.&quot;  

I thought the Imam was saying all the right things, but then he has been proven to be a liar and a cheat because he had no intention of doing what he said (cakap tak serupa bikin) and was merely trying to buy time for crooks and cheats.  

Is this the right attitude or desire (niat) of an Imam of Islam Hadhari ?  Is this the core teaching of Islam Hadhari?  Ada had, ada hari ?

RealWorld dude, can you help your Sleepy master answer some of these questions intelligently ?  Get out of your tempurung, take off your sunglasses, and stop singing &quot;I can see clearly now, the rain is gone...&quot;  Put your little brain in overdrive and THINK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I did insult Islam Hadhari &#8211; not the religion, but the self-proclaimed Imam of Islam Hadhari who said funny things like &#8220;We are not in the business of cheating the people.&#8221;  Things like &#8220;I am fair, I will always be fair.&#8221;  Things like &#8220;We must investigate for the sake of the rakyat.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I thought the Imam was saying all the right things, but then he has been proven to be a liar and a cheat because he had no intention of doing what he said (cakap tak serupa bikin) and was merely trying to buy time for crooks and cheats.  </p>
<p>Is this the right attitude or desire (niat) of an Imam of Islam Hadhari ?  Is this the core teaching of Islam Hadhari?  Ada had, ada hari ?</p>
<p>RealWorld dude, can you help your Sleepy master answer some of these questions intelligently ?  Get out of your tempurung, take off your sunglasses, and stop singing &#8220;I can see clearly now, the rain is gone&#8230;&#8221;  Put your little brain in overdrive and THINK.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeyong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51886</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeyong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didnt know the word bodoh has scarred you for life :) I replaced with lemah then....hahahaha....joking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didnt know the word bodoh has scarred you for life :) I replaced with lemah then&#8230;.hahahaha&#8230;.joking</p>
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		<title>By: RealWorld</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/16/who-lied-zam-or-pak-lah/comment-page-4/#comment-51881</link>
		<dc:creator>RealWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hope one day in another lifetime, you be the minoriti tertindas. YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll know how we feel.&quot; - cheeyong

... and by calling me bodoh you feel you have achieved some sort of redemption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hope one day in another lifetime, you be the minoriti tertindas. YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll know how we feel.&#8221; &#8211; cheeyong</p>
<p>&#8230; and by calling me bodoh you feel you have achieved some sort of redemption?</p>
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