Who lied? Was it the Information Minister, Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin or the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi himself?
On Friday, 6th October 2007, speaking at the Gerakan National Delegates Conference, Abdullah called on “leaders, especially those in Barisan Nasional” to tell him the truth and to stop “be in a state of denial”.
He exhorted:
“Tell the truth, even if it is painful.
“The prime minister must have the courage and readiness to listen even to the worst stories, whether it is related to the country or himself. Never allow yourself to sink in a hole of denial and feel that everything is alright.”
Four days later, on Wednesday 10th October 2007, Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin summoned top media editors to a special briefing and in the name of the Prime Minister, laid down the law that
- Abdullah’s pledge to “hear the truth” does not apply to the media as it was restricted to Barisan Nasional leaders and government officials; and
- the Prime Minister’s repeated pledges to “listen to the truth” did not mean that the media have the green light to “practice unrestrained reporting”.
It is a reflection of the deplorable state of press freedom in Malaysia that no mainstream media had protested or written about Zainuddin’s violation of a free press, especially under a Prime Minister who had pledged greater openness, accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance!
In fact, Zainuddin’s summoning of the top media editors to direct them what to print and what not to print would be completely unthinkable in the past 50 years of the nation’s development, as no Information Minister would have such temerity to regard himself as the Comptroller-General of the Press.
One of two things would have happened if any former Information Minister had done what Zainuddin did last Wednesday:
- A public exposure or protest appearing in one or more of the mainstream press; and/or
- Demand for confirmation that Zainuddin was really speaking in the name of the Prime Minister and the further demand by the top media editors for a meeting with the Prime Minister himself.
But neither one of these two things happened — and if not for Malaysiakini’s expose in last Friday’s report, the Malaysian public would have continued to be kept in the dark about the spreading tentacles to stifle press freedom in the Abdullah administration.
Almost four years ago, when he first became Prime Minister, Abdullah had made his first call to be told the truth
Speaking at the opening of the MIC branch chairmen convention on November 9, 2003, Abdullah told Barisan Nasional component party leaders and members to give him correct information to enable the government to respond appropriately to the people’s needs.
He said:
“Tell me the truth.
“Sometimes people do not provide truthful information for fear that I will cry, worry or lose sleep over it. But as a leader, I have to know the truth.
“If we (leaders) are not prepared to hear the truth, then we should not become leaders.”
Had Abdullah been telling a lie in the past four years or was it Zainuddin who had lied.
Malaysians are entitled to an immediate answer from the Prime Minister.

#1 by Jimm on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 12:08 pm
Everyone in the system have been lying through their own ways.
There have never been a single wrong in the governing system as the ELITE group controls everything.
Whether or not both or either one of them doesn’t make any difference after all….
We , the rakyat are the eventually ‘workers’ in the system.
#2 by sabah tun on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 12:21 pm
Bodohwi you really wan to know the truth?
Its better you resign.
#3 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 12:44 pm
Bahdawi, you want to hear the truth.
But no one in your administration wants you to know the “truth”, savvy? They will take all kinds of measures to ensure you remain ignorant.
Surely you are intelligent to know about it. No? Then you better get good advisers who will let you know the truth. And stop reading the newspapers or watch TV.
#4 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 12:52 pm
P/S Lee Kuan Yew reads blogs to know the truth. What about you?
You know what a computer looks like? No, it does not look like a typewriter. Jeez, where have you been?
#5 by wits0 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 12:55 pm
A fish wants to know about Terra Firma but rejects the report from a crab. This is the situation. They won’t know what’s the truth even when hit by a tsunami of it.
#6 by kanthanboy on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:03 pm
The prime minister said;
Tell the truth, even if it is painful.
“The prime minister must have the courage and readiness to listen even to the worst stories, whether it is related to the country or himself. Never allow yourself to sink in a hole of denial and feel that everything is alright.â€Â
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The rakyat response:
Tell the truth now, even if it is painful because history will not be kind to all your corrupt and evil acts. The prime minister must have the courage and readiness to stop the rot, whether it is related to the judiciary, ACA or the Police. You have sunk in a deep hole of denial for so long that only a fearful expectation of judgment is waiting for you.
#7 by MALAYSIAN8 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:04 pm
sandiwara.an academy award should be doled out to Bodohwi for best actor in comedy.all the more election is near as there is a gathering of dark clouds of LIES
#8 by Godfather on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:07 pm
Does it matter who lied ? The entire cabinet consists of thieves, liars and cheats. They do whatever they can to hide the truth, and coercion of the mainstream press is only one of their methods. Good and responsible journalists will not tolerate such blatant interference, so what is left are mediocre and irresponsible journalists who have sold their souls for money and promotion.
Bolehland is going down the tubes because there is a price for integrity, and everyone from the Sleepy Head down knows it.
#9 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:19 pm
Let us revisit “Islam Hadhari principles”:
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Islam Hadhari (Arabic الإسلام الØÂضاري) or “Civilizational Islam” is a theory of government based on the principles of Islam as derived from the Qur’an. It was originally founded by Tunku Abdul Rahman in 1957 (but under a different name), and is now being promoted by the current Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.
It consists of 10 fundamental principles.
Faith and piety in Allah
Just and trustworthy government
Freedom and independence to the people
Mastery of knowledge
Balanced and comprehensive economic development
Good quality of life for all
Protection of the rights of minority groups and women
Cultural and moral integrity
Protection of the environment
A strong defence policy
”
Key words “Tunku Abdul Rahman”, belief in “Allah” and no other, “just and trustworthy”, “freedom and independence” and also all the other words contained in it.
“Its only words, and words are all I have….” (Bee Gees) to fool you all the way.
It does not say anything about BELIEVING in all the tenets or even PRACTICING it. Just “words”.
”
Most Muslims believe that the water of the Zamzam Well is divinely blessed. It is believed to satisfy both hunger and thirst, and to cure illness. Pilgrims make every effort to drink of this water during their pilgrimage.
“
#10 by mendela on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:26 pm
Zam is like brother to Iraqi ex-Information minister Al-Sahhaf.
Bad-awi is like Wahid (Gus Dur), see nothing and hear nothing, but tell lies.
So who lied? Both lied!
#11 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:29 pm
The PM is consistent.
In Oct 2007, speaking at the Gerakan National Delegates Conference, he called on “leaders, especially those in Barisan Nasional†to tell him the truth and to stop “be in a state of denialâ€Â. He also said the same on November 9, 2003 speaking at the opening of the MIC branch chairmen convention. In both instances he called on Barisan Nasional component party leaders and members to tell the truth. He did not tell the press to do so.
If you follow the theory that Barisan Nasional parties “supposedly†represent majority of rakyat who voted them in, then, the truth canvassed for by the PM is from at least these sections of the rakyat through the leaders of the BN parties “supposedly†representing them.
The media is neither leaders/members of Barisan Nasional nor does it represent the rakyat, does it?
So is Zam telling an untruth that Abdullah’s pledge to “hear the truth†does not apply to the media as it was restricted to Barisan Nasional leaders and government officials�
I think, strictly Zam is correct. What he said implies : (1) our media is neither leaders/members of Barisan Nasional nor does it represent the rakyat; (2) the media represents and is the propaganda tool of the State; (3) whilst the government wants to hear the truth from the rakyat through BN’s leaders/members, it does not necessarily imply that the Government quid pro quo will want to reciprocate and tell the truth back to the rakyat; (4) and when it wants to package and give a good presentation of its version of the truth to the people, there is the media whose ‘proper’ role is not to tell the government the truth from the people but to tell the government’s version of the truth to the people…….
Hence neither the PM nor Nor is lying – both are telling the truth.
If one says that “no Information Minister would have (like Zam) such temerity to regard himself as the Comptroller-General of the Pressâ€Â, then good for Zam for his temerity because all along, even way before Zam, we’ve never had press freedom, and every Information Minister was/is the Czar of the Press, so what’s the big deal in Zam saying the truth openly? We all know press freedom all along has been in a deplorable state and Zam merely admitted it by his directives to the media.
As to whether what Zam said contradicted the PM’s pledge of greater openness, accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance, well maybe only 5% because it is true there is under Pak Lah’s watch a notch greater openness allowed so far for the people to voice their opinions than before in TDM’s time though this does not necessarily imply the corollary of the government itself also being open to the people) – whilst for the balance of 95%, there’s no real contradiction because accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance have not been practised in not only in relation to the Press but in other areas as well, and there is widespread discontent of the disjunction everywhere between what was being preached in the last election and what is being carried out thereafter.
#12 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:31 pm
Sorry for typo : it should be “Hence neither the PM nor Zam is lying – both are telling the truth.
#13 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:34 pm
So now we know the truth which is our PM is surrounded by ministers who do not want him to know the truth.
No wonder our PM went sailing in Australia when Johor was flooded. Perhaps he did not know the truth.
No wonder Zakaria could build a palace in Klang on land meant for the underprivileged. Perhaps our PM did not know the truth and thought that Zakaria was building a gigantic orphanage for deprived kids there.
#14 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:40 pm
“The entire cabinet consists of thieves, liars and cheats. They do whatever they can to hide the truth, and coercion of the mainstream press is only one of their methods.” – Godfather
Hey dude, how was your holidays? Take a chill pill, man. At the rate you are going, you are gonna choke on yourself one day.
So, about the cabinet and all, any ideas how to change em?
#15 by wits0 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:53 pm
“..so what’s the big deal in Zam saying the truth openly?”
I wouldn’t attribute that in terms of honesty. More like a person who has painted himself into a corner and that reality becomes too overwhelming to deny outright. More like dysfunctional “justification” used as a patch.
#16 by k1980 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 1:53 pm
How many Malaysian ministers had committed suicide after being investigated for corruption?
http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/reports.php?itemid=9122
Transparency International, a civil society organisation against corruption based in Berlin, has repeatedly listed Singapore among the top five of 163 countries. And the only one from Asia in the first five…..Our system does not tolerate corruption and we have avoided the problems of widespread corruption that have plagued Asia. Our Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) annually tabulates the cases brought against officers and executives from the public and private sectors. In two cases, it led to the conviction and prison sentence of a junior minister. Another, a Cabinet minister, committed suicide after being investigated for corruption.
#17 by Libra2 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 2:33 pm
“..no Information Minister would have such temerity to regard himself as the Comptroller-General of the Press.”
Kit,
In fact any lowly civil servant from the Information Ministry or the Internal Security can call up all the editors for a meting and they will run there with tails between their legs.
#18 by k1980 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 2:35 pm
Those who do not want to hear the truth will also not tell the truth
#19 by k1980 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:06 pm
Dr Jamaluddin later told reporters he would propose to the Cabinet to declare Oct 10 each year as Hari Angkasawan. …Extra holiday every year! But it should be called “Hari Tipu” because it was after all just hitching a ride to space, costing the public RM100 million
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/10/16/nation/19181072&sec=nation
#20 by smeagroo on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:10 pm
oct 10 holiday hooray!!!
Then when next idiot go to space another holiday la puhlease!!!
When AAB resign also holiday la. It is ppl like u that dont need to work bcos the manna will drop from heaven for u guys.
And Stupid PM didnt lie. He did afterall asked the leaders especially from BN (note BN) to tell him the truth. YEa, everytime these fellas will tell him the same thing. “You are so hensome and sexy”. Just priase him till he reaches cloud nine and he will fall asleep and then the nation goes on auto-pilot which suited these scums.
#21 by patriotic1994 on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:18 pm
Both lied. Both say the thing that is required by their job function. There are not here to “run” the country and care for us. All they care is their work from 8am to 3pm.
#22 by voice on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:22 pm
Lie to hear the truth, this is just another joke by them
#23 by Jong on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:33 pm
10th Oct if its declared a public holiday, it will go down in history “Hari Tipu”.
The world is laughing at them – Malaysian PM Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and his flock of Gobloks …obviously they aren’t ready for the truth!
International news refer to our Dr Sheikh Muszaphar as “Spaceflight Participant” nothing else and he has no specific responsibility on Soyuz.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition16/index.html
“Spaceflight Participant Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor
Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor will launch with Expedition 16 and land with Expedition 15.”
Malaysians, tell those UMNO Gobolks we don’t want anymore lies! The rakyat’s money rm90 million for their “feel good” session!
#24 by Jong on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 3:42 pm
For 50 years, half a century the MIC which claim to represent the interest of Indian Malaysians, has not been successful in getting the BN government to agree to a ‘national public holiday’ for Hindu community to celebrate Thaipusam, how is it so?
Only certain states in the country observe Thaipusam with ‘state public holiday’ so does it mean Hindus in other states don’t deserve the right to celebrate?
I like to hear what the Hindus of this country has to say about this.
#25 by Toyol on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 4:41 pm
BN in dilemma? On one hand want to show the people they are doing the right thing but on the other hand they know what they are doing is wrong???!!! Sad case of clueless leaders.
#26 by anak_malaysia on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 4:52 pm
what lie. it is never a lie by either zam or bodowi. it is the culture that bodowi is living.
bodowi will always live in his cabinet shadow. when they say beres, bodowi say beres.
he don’t care about the truth. if he really care about the truth, there are many ways of getting it instead sitting there cry like a big baby demanding the truth.
“If there is a will, there is a way”
If he want to know the truth, he will know how to find. If he really want it.
#27 by ngahc on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 5:29 pm
To know the truth, one has to read Malaysiakini or other blogs. Controlled media will tell you politically acceptable truth or half of the truth. Even sharp minded LKY said there are gems in Malaysiakini. Politicians will not tell the truth.
#28 by chai on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 5:44 pm
it is surely both are lie, either bodohwi or zainudin both are liar. we really must award a ‘best best’ actor to BODOHWI because he so well in acting movie last four years
like chinese school and tamil school problem BODOHWI is not possible to say he dont know that chinese and tamil school is not enough and very congest since last 10 years ago, so when people tell BODOHWI the truth so many many time but until now we dont see any changes from previous to now, problem is still the same!!!! will this kind of people leader we still want to continuing support??? LET HIM OUT…
#29 by Cinapek on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 5:50 pm
“Who lied? Was it the Information Minister, Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin or the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi himself?”
Does it make any difference?
Malaysian leaders are already well known for their flip flops to the extent Najib had to go on public record during the IDR roadshow in Singapore to defend this famous traits of our country’s leaders. One more lie won’t hurt anymore when we are assailed almost daily by their lies and false promises. And their famous SOP reply when cornered? Blame the press for misquoting them.
#30 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 5:52 pm
Q: Why does Pak Lah doze off all the time?
A: ‘Cos when he is in slumberland, he sees no evil, hears no evil and speaks no evil. Or lies. Or truth. Or whatever.
#31 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 5:59 pm
If it is THE TRUTH, does it matter to the government who said it to the government – whether it is Barisan Nasional’s leaders or the mainstream press?
I would think not, if one really wants to know the truth, and do something about it.
There is but only one reason why one does not want to know the truth from the press, and that will be because the press is reporting unsavory truths about oneself (ie the government) – it is however Ok if its about the unsavory truths of others eg. who is rapping the national anthem etc – and because the press has a reach and influence over a wide readership, then the press would not be allowed to make negative reports, no matter how true, if to do so would cast one self in an unfavourable light vis-à-vis its readers.
So the net net conclusion, one’s image has to be protected at all costs, no matter how bad one’s behaviour is and how many mistakes one makes .
The blocking of the avenues of exposure is also a cover to continue to perpetrate this bad behaviour.
This is basically what Information Minister, Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin (“Zam”) is openly admitting about what the stand of the administration is in respect of its own image – Truth that diminishes its stature and image is not to be disseminated but truth that makes it bask in glow of light should be highlighted.
A Truth skewered in this way is at best half-truth and actually no truth. Therefore it may be inferred that even if the government wants to know the truth about others or what is going on, it does not mean that it wants the negative part about itself known through the media by others whose support it depends.
To this extent, it is correct to say that pledges of accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance are contradicted by what Zam advised the press.
#32 by justice_fighter on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 7:01 pm
Both are hypocrites of the highest order.
If Bodohwi really wants to hear the truths, he should read Malaysia Today and not to be brainwashed by his SIL KJ.
#33 by ForTheFuture on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 7:38 pm
@Jeffrey: “Hence neither the PM nor Nor is lying – both are telling the truth.”
We do not need more justifications/technicalities on their behalf. They have an army already doing it for them. We know what happened and how to interpret it.
Your latter comment is more to the point, and I believe sums up this paradox :
“If it is THE TRUTH, does it matter to the government who said it to the government – whether it is Barisan Nasional’s leaders or the mainstream press?”
Why ask for the truth but only from selective sources. That’s not the truth.
#34 by toniXe on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 7:40 pm
shame to their race and religion. hopeless case. may god bless their souls
#35 by ihavesomethingtosay on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 7:45 pm
one is a certifiable liar.
the other a compulsive liar.
both liars, no good gene, should be cull.
#36 by ihavesomethingtosay on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 7:54 pm
Let the UMNOPOLOGIST apologise for its masters.
#37 by bystander on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 8:01 pm
How on earth did we inherit such a silly PM? You mean to say thats the best UMNOputras could produce? they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. If that is the case, can one imagine what the rest are like.
#38 by Godfather on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 8:08 pm
Selamat Hari Raya, RealWorld. Can you find out from your masters who lied, and why they haven’t even bothered to explain why they lied, and if they lied.
#39 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 8:31 pm
Thanks Godfather.
No need to find out anything cos whatever it is, Malaysians will still vote for us no matter what. :)
#40 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 8:33 pm
“You mean to say thats the best UMNOputras could produce?” – bystander
Then in the same way, may I ask whats the best you lot produced so far?? You lot cant even agree amongst each other in the first place.
#41 by Raitman on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:13 pm
“You lot cant even agree amongst each other in the first place.”
Are you talking about the opposition or BN?
Because BN also can’t agreed amongst each other, remember?
One said RCI should be set up(TSKSK) while his political master said Haider Panel is sufficient. One shouted “Ketuanan Melayu” with a dagger while one said he’s so hurt by the remarks. One said the parliament and state seats must be increased for that party, while one responded any increased must be based on the consensus of the other party.(Twice already this guy is complaining, but still no action) One said Negarakuku guy should be forgiven cause he has apologised while one or rather many said he should be charge.
And many more lah.
Do you know what I’m talking about?
Marriage of convenience? Or marriage of inconvenience?
#42 by Raitman on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:20 pm
Yeah, btw, the other said he’s so hurt by the remarks, as the remarks are “more poisonous than towards the opposition party.”
They(BN) are cracked or what? How to governed like that.
#43 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:23 pm
If BN parties are not in agreement, surely the previous GE results would not show overwhelming victories, right?
#44 by Raitman on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:27 pm
All these happened before the LAST GE results, right?
#45 by Raitman on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:27 pm
Sorry, after, typo mistake.
#46 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:29 pm
Still the rakyat’s choice, dude. :)
#47 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:30 pm
Ijok and Machap, how?
#48 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:33 pm
We are a nation with ministers who do not face the truth. They also die-die want to show the world how great Malaysians are, even to the extent of using other people’s technology to gain cheap thrill and publicity, as well as to boost the superiority of a certain group.
The space trip is a farce, wasting our nation’s money that can be spent wisely on more immediate urgent needs. Going up there once is already a foolish thing to do. Normal people would react: once bitten, twice shy, and cukup lah.
But, lo and behold, our ministers are clamouring for more space travellers and all ready to throw more millions into space. Lagi mahu! No wonder foreigners love to do business with Malaysia – just suck Malaysia dry!
#49 by Raitman on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:39 pm
EC must clean up first its act first mah, to ensure a truly fair transparent and clean elections.
Dare to call international observer to monitor the elections?
#50 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - 9:53 pm
“Tell the truth, even if it is painful.” Sleepy
Why the truth is painful and people want to tell lies instead? Because lies works and it is not painful, you’ll get away anyway.
“The prime minister must have the courage and readiness to listen even to the worst stories, whether it is related to the country or himself. Never allow yourself to sink in a hole of denial and feel that everything is alright.†Sleepy
Yeah! You know, like when you are sailing Australia with your Ang Moh friend and your own Rakyat sailed the biggest flood in our nation’s history? The Rakyat lost everthing sinking into your hole of denial, and yeah, everything is alright!