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	<title>Comments on: Why Malacca State Excos of  MCA and Gerakan must resign from Ali Rustam government</title>
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		<title>By: akarmalaysian</title>
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		<dc:creator>akarmalaysian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey...its good not to take so much pork.but then malaysians of non muslims hv the right to eat pork the way they want it to be.whats so wrong with pigs whn thr are so many blood sucking animals in the cabinets?you definitely cant take the right off fr the people who consume pork.its to absurd and childish.guess its just another idiot trying to salvage attention for himself.i am not a muslim but i am a MALAYSIAN who happens to eat pork.by the way...we knw what pigs are....i am sure many of you knw what too ko is...right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey&#8230;its good not to take so much pork.but then malaysians of non muslims hv the right to eat pork the way they want it to be.whats so wrong with pigs whn thr are so many blood sucking animals in the cabinets?you definitely cant take the right off fr the people who consume pork.its to absurd and childish.guess its just another idiot trying to salvage attention for himself.i am not a muslim but i am a MALAYSIAN who happens to eat pork.by the way&#8230;we knw what pigs are&#8230;.i am sure many of you knw what too ko is&#8230;right?</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They killed dogs in the year of the Dog, now in the year of the Pig, they turn to shooting pigs. Are they going to shoot rats in the year of the Rat, then cows, tigers, rabbits, dragons, snakes, horses, goats, monkeys and chickens according to the chinese zodiac?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They killed dogs in the year of the Dog, now in the year of the Pig, they turn to shooting pigs. Are they going to shoot rats in the year of the Rat, then cows, tigers, rabbits, dragons, snakes, horses, goats, monkeys and chickens according to the chinese zodiac?</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, we don't really need the pigs you know. It is even ok to make it as illegal farming in Tanah Melayu, eat more vegetables is good for you. Now we can support Rustam iniatives but what when the pig rearers are out of business, who's gonna take care of them, their childrens and their future? UMNO? MCA? Or Gerakan? Are they going to pay to feed them all? I don't think so because I beleive that isn't how political party works. 

We can all convert to Islam for all I care but can we then become equal citizens and not some Malaysian Chinese Muslim and had different set of laws just to complicated our lives? Can UMNO name the criteria how non-bumis can be equal as them? Rustam must be warn there is a borderline as what a government can or cannot do as the consequences can be dangerous yo! There is some facts that cannot be changed in Tanah Melayu, the Chinese is here and damn they eat pork. Try banned it and see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, we don&#8217;t really need the pigs you know. It is even ok to make it as illegal farming in Tanah Melayu, eat more vegetables is good for you. Now we can support Rustam iniatives but what when the pig rearers are out of business, who&#8217;s gonna take care of them, their childrens and their future? UMNO? MCA? Or Gerakan? Are they going to pay to feed them all? I don&#8217;t think so because I beleive that isn&#8217;t how political party works. </p>
<p>We can all convert to Islam for all I care but can we then become equal citizens and not some Malaysian Chinese Muslim and had different set of laws just to complicated our lives? Can UMNO name the criteria how non-bumis can be equal as them? Rustam must be warn there is a borderline as what a government can or cannot do as the consequences can be dangerous yo! There is some facts that cannot be changed in Tanah Melayu, the Chinese is here and damn they eat pork. Try banned it and see!</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they can kill cows and buffalos openly during Hari Raya Haji, why not kill pigs in Ramadhan? But what are they going to do with the carcasses? Have a kenduri? 

All these jazz about Malaysia being an Islamic state is just a big fuss. As I have mentioned in my other comments, if at all Malaysia is to be an Islamic state, many things have to be changed first of all. 

PAS should be invited to join the governing of the nation by BN as it is a pure Islamic organization. By denying such status to PAS, BN is proclaiming TWO separate Islam religions in Malaysia - UMNO Islam and PAS Islam. So, are there two different QURANs? 

Then, perhaps non-Islamic political parties like MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP and others should immediately quit the government for these are non-Islamic political parties. Their members are non-halal and are not fit to sit in a parliament consisting of Muslims running an Islamic state. Members of these political parties have not been circumcised and they still eat pork!!

In view of this argument, AAB's proclamation that Malaysia is an Islamic nation is nothing but utter nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they can kill cows and buffalos openly during Hari Raya Haji, why not kill pigs in Ramadhan? But what are they going to do with the carcasses? Have a kenduri? </p>
<p>All these jazz about Malaysia being an Islamic state is just a big fuss. As I have mentioned in my other comments, if at all Malaysia is to be an Islamic state, many things have to be changed first of all. </p>
<p>PAS should be invited to join the governing of the nation by BN as it is a pure Islamic organization. By denying such status to PAS, BN is proclaiming TWO separate Islam religions in Malaysia - UMNO Islam and PAS Islam. So, are there two different QURANs? </p>
<p>Then, perhaps non-Islamic political parties like MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP and others should immediately quit the government for these are non-Islamic political parties. Their members are non-halal and are not fit to sit in a parliament consisting of Muslims running an Islamic state. Members of these political parties have not been circumcised and they still eat pork!!</p>
<p>In view of this argument, AAB&#8217;s proclamation that Malaysia is an Islamic nation is nothing but utter nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkJustice</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkJustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the opportunity and publicity for BN to put fear to voters that DAP and opposition parties are creating troubles by instigating the farmers to go against government in the pig issue. I am very sure it will be shown at TVs and widely reported in the newspaper with lies on how DAP instigate the farmers and this will create opportunity for the BN to get the police to arrest DAP leaders before the General Election.

See what they have distorted in the Trengganu ceramah recently blaming opposition parties trouble makers and burning of natinal flags,etc..

I hope the rakyat will not be fooled by the dirty tactics of BN before the General Election as they are trying to get the opposition leaders be arrested under the so-called ISA again.

Why the needs of Immigration Dept personnel to be at the Paya Mengkuang?? Don't tell me you want to check they are illegal pigs?? Don't waste your time here.. There are many illegal immigrants many places that you need to go and check and even at airports..to stop them from committing crimes at our countries but not the pigs!!

Is this what the Islam Hadhari preached by Pak Lah and BN stooges to kill those poor animals(pigs) in the holy month of Ramadhan?? They have lives like us too and perhaps it's good Pak Lah read the story on "Animal Farm - by George Orwell" that one day the animals will revolt against human beings one day.....Maybe the characters of 'Snowball' and "Napoleon"- the two famous pigs will come alive on 21 September to fight against the BN..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the opportunity and publicity for BN to put fear to voters that DAP and opposition parties are creating troubles by instigating the farmers to go against government in the pig issue. I am very sure it will be shown at TVs and widely reported in the newspaper with lies on how DAP instigate the farmers and this will create opportunity for the BN to get the police to arrest DAP leaders before the General Election.</p>
<p>See what they have distorted in the Trengganu ceramah recently blaming opposition parties trouble makers and burning of natinal flags,etc..</p>
<p>I hope the rakyat will not be fooled by the dirty tactics of BN before the General Election as they are trying to get the opposition leaders be arrested under the so-called ISA again.</p>
<p>Why the needs of Immigration Dept personnel to be at the Paya Mengkuang?? Don&#8217;t tell me you want to check they are illegal pigs?? Don&#8217;t waste your time here.. There are many illegal immigrants many places that you need to go and check and even at airports..to stop them from committing crimes at our countries but not the pigs!!</p>
<p>Is this what the Islam Hadhari preached by Pak Lah and BN stooges to kill those poor animals(pigs) in the holy month of Ramadhan?? They have lives like us too and perhaps it&#8217;s good Pak Lah read the story on &#8220;Animal Farm - by George Orwell&#8221; that one day the animals will revolt against human beings one day&#8230;..Maybe the characters of &#8216;Snowball&#8217; and &#8220;Napoleon&#8221;- the two famous pigs will come alive on 21 September to fight against the BN..</p>
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		<title>By: disapointed86</title>
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		<dc:creator>disapointed86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe pig farming is like a criminal to the government..we dont see such problem occurs in our neighbouring country? why? so obvious because the government also work together to set up those location and set up a systematical sewage discharge  so that the nearby places wont be affect by the farm...i believe this problem occur because Ali Rustam's gov...is a muslim where pig is (NON-HALAL) to them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe pig farming is like a criminal to the government..we dont see such problem occurs in our neighbouring country? why? so obvious because the government also work together to set up those location and set up a systematical sewage discharge  so that the nearby places wont be affect by the farm&#8230;i believe this problem occur because Ali Rustam&#8217;s gov&#8230;is a muslim where pig is (NON-HALAL) to them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sotong</title>
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		<dc:creator>sotong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pollution, like other issues, is just an excuse.

Decades of religious extremism and fundamentalism with narrow, shallow and damaging politics had done a lot of damage to a multi religious country.

If the people are not proper guided in religion with an open mind, how could they understand other religions and be tolerant of differences.....there is no quick fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollution, like other issues, is just an excuse.</p>
<p>Decades of religious extremism and fundamentalism with narrow, shallow and damaging politics had done a lot of damage to a multi religious country.</p>
<p>If the people are not proper guided in religion with an open mind, how could they understand other religions and be tolerant of differences&#8230;..there is no quick fix.</p>
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		<title>By: House Victim</title>
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		<dc:creator>House Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any industry with pollutants needs rules and regulations as well as an effective pollution handling system not only by individuals but also to be worked out by professionals and the government with a well organized system. They must work together.

Similarly, to a housing estate where pollutants are also quite abundant but they are handled by different systems, such as sewage and garbage collection system. Same could be applied for pig farming but in a bigger scale and different technique. 

However, the pig farming in Malaysia had been lacking the support from the Government where there could be a lot of rules and regulations but have they be effective and practical with the right technology and supports? 

If the Government are willing to find solution, there are quite a number to be found in Denmark or in Hong Kong. The former being one of the biggest in the world with co-operative system with combined efforts from the farmer and the government and they are one of the important agricultural sector in Denmark. One of the technique including sawdust bedding leading to solid waste treatment instead of the huge sewage treatment system. With wood/furniture industries in Malacca, sawdust could be a lot to enable this to be started. But, without the confirmation and support from the Government with loan and land and system to support the solid waste treatment (which is much smaller when compare with sewage treatment) but still a huge investment that depends on long-term return. 

Unless Pig farmer is taken as a national agricultural project just as any agricultural project with the support of the Government in all respect with loan or subsidize and planning for long-term investment, the problem will continue as any agricultural production could  be profitable but also quite risky in compare with others.

HAD THE PIG FARMERS BEEN GIVEN AN EQUAL CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE GOVERNMENT? Or, a sector being discriminated or being sacrificed under BUREAUCRACY or even ....Ã¯Â¼Å¸Why pig farming in many countries can work out and not Malaysia?

As mentioned by KingKong, it is a question of willingness to handle with wisdom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any industry with pollutants needs rules and regulations as well as an effective pollution handling system not only by individuals but also to be worked out by professionals and the government with a well organized system. They must work together.</p>
<p>Similarly, to a housing estate where pollutants are also quite abundant but they are handled by different systems, such as sewage and garbage collection system. Same could be applied for pig farming but in a bigger scale and different technique. </p>
<p>However, the pig farming in Malaysia had been lacking the support from the Government where there could be a lot of rules and regulations but have they be effective and practical with the right technology and supports? </p>
<p>If the Government are willing to find solution, there are quite a number to be found in Denmark or in Hong Kong. The former being one of the biggest in the world with co-operative system with combined efforts from the farmer and the government and they are one of the important agricultural sector in Denmark. One of the technique including sawdust bedding leading to solid waste treatment instead of the huge sewage treatment system. With wood/furniture industries in Malacca, sawdust could be a lot to enable this to be started. But, without the confirmation and support from the Government with loan and land and system to support the solid waste treatment (which is much smaller when compare with sewage treatment) but still a huge investment that depends on long-term return. </p>
<p>Unless Pig farmer is taken as a national agricultural project just as any agricultural project with the support of the Government in all respect with loan or subsidize and planning for long-term investment, the problem will continue as any agricultural production could  be profitable but also quite risky in compare with others.</p>
<p>HAD THE PIG FARMERS BEEN GIVEN AN EQUAL CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE GOVERNMENT? Or, a sector being discriminated or being sacrificed under BUREAUCRACY or even &#8230;.Ã¯Â¼Å¸Why pig farming in many countries can work out and not Malaysia?</p>
<p>As mentioned by KingKong, it is a question of willingness to handle with wisdom!</p>
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		<title>By: ablastine</title>
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		<dc:creator>ablastine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fairest way as I can see is to give sufficient notice to the pig farmers to relocate to a designated areas where chances of pollution to rivers is minimal and away from especially Malay kampongs. If they do not want to install modern waste disposal system then do not issue them the licence to farm. It would be helpful to extend low interest loans to families who cannot afford the expensive system. If they refuse to relocate after all this and especially after adequate time has been given for instance 2-3 years then there is every right for  the authority to step in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fairest way as I can see is to give sufficient notice to the pig farmers to relocate to a designated areas where chances of pollution to rivers is minimal and away from especially Malay kampongs. If they do not want to install modern waste disposal system then do not issue them the licence to farm. It would be helpful to extend low interest loans to families who cannot afford the expensive system. If they refuse to relocate after all this and especially after adequate time has been given for instance 2-3 years then there is every right for  the authority to step in.</p>
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