Comments on: Orang Asli allocations – not how much but what reaches them http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Argus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-148531 Argus Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:50:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-148531 one of the main objective of JHEOA is to 'assimilate' the OA into mainstream. sounds good aye? but what exactly they mean is, converting them to Muslim.. this itself has caused much of the OA culture to be lost.. no more give-and-take policy please..give them good education and let them choose their path..the gov thinks they're giving them the best and doing their best but are they?? the answer is obvious.. the OA still being forced to move outa their customary land.. and many have been living on lands for generations and only to find out they're actually 'parasiting' on someone's lands.. the lands suppose to be theirs but our government betray them.. perhaps some OA wanna move outa forest but they're not ready yet..please help them by giving better education, a neutral education that allows them to make the best choice for themselve.. one of the main objective of JHEOA is to ‘assimilate’ the OA into mainstream. sounds good aye? but what exactly they mean is, converting them to Muslim.. this itself has caused much of the OA culture to be lost..
no more give-and-take policy please..give them good education and let them choose their path..the gov thinks they’re giving them the best and doing their best but are they?? the answer is obvious.. the OA still being forced to move outa their customary land.. and many have been living on lands for generations and only to find out they’re actually ‘parasiting’ on someone’s lands.. the lands suppose to be theirs but our government betray them..
perhaps some OA wanna move outa forest but they’re not ready yet..please help them by giving better education, a neutral education that allows them to make the best choice for themselve..

]]> By: brokenpot http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-131927 brokenpot Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:56:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-131927 JHEOA should consider hiring more Orang Asli to run the department. There are many highly educated and qualified OA to fill important post in this department. The only thing they need to do is to be sincere and look harder. OA is the best people to run the department and not other races. Other races should learn to work with them, partner with them and not to lord over them.It's time we give them back what belongs to them-their sense of dignity. JHEOA should consider hiring more Orang Asli to run the department. There are many highly educated and qualified OA to fill important post in this department. The only thing they need to do is to be sincere and look harder. OA is the best people to run the department and not other races. Other races should learn to work with them, partner with them and not to lord over them.It’s time we give them back what belongs to them-their sense of dignity.

]]> By: aslirick http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-74674 aslirick Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:29:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-74674 its not the race - its the religion, only muslim asli is treated good, there is a asli place where the penghulu is pay for anyone he convince to be islam - worst case is - if u dont convert u will be left out...no help or whatsoever...muslim asli live near roadside-non muslim live in places where car cannot enter?? why...this is the goverment lah....u join muslim u get whatever u want. what is fair? how asli vote....BN u get help...others u get hell..fair or not ??? its not the race – its the religion, only muslim asli is treated good, there is a asli place where the penghulu is pay for anyone he convince to be islam – worst case is – if u dont convert u will be left out…no help or whatsoever…muslim asli live near roadside-non muslim live in places where car cannot enter?? why…this is the goverment lah….u join muslim u get whatever u want. what is fair?
how asli vote….BN u get help…others u get hell..fair or not ???

]]> By: AnakTiriMalaysia http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-48296 AnakTiriMalaysia Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:55:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-48296 Seems like the government treat the ORANG ASLI similar to RESERVE FOREST.... don't let development change its status quo.........and maybe as a tourist attraction product? Seems like the government treat the ORANG ASLI similar to RESERVE FOREST…. don’t let development change its status quo………and maybe as a tourist attraction product?

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-48121 sotong Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:30:35 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-48121 Chinese could sail long distance long before the European. Chinese could sail long distance long before the European.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-48114 undergrad2 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:50:01 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-48114 ooops decimating ooops decimating

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-48113 undergrad2 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:46:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-48113 In the U.S. today the native Americans (mistakenly referred to as the Indians because someone thought he landed in India) are regarded as the 'original' inhabitants - but there is a growing body of opinion which says the 'original' inhabitants were Chinese from China and native Americans were descendants of these original inhabitants. They were then followed by the Europeans who made America their home and they call it the 'home of the free' and the 'land of the brave'. I have a problem with that because they enslaved the Indians and set themselves free - free to plunder and exploit, and in the process displaced the Indians first through deciminating the buffalos which the Indians depended for their sustenance, and stealing their land from under their feet so they could get at the gold buried underneath. They broke all the treaties they signed with the Indians. There was nothing brave about that! That is the first wave of mass migration. They came on sea going vessels from Europe in search of a better life. Today we see another wave of migration but this time they came on airplanes and containers of tankers, on foot through the desert of Mexico climbing over fences and in tunnels. The Mexicans claimed California as being theirs annexed by these Europeans from Europe. So who is original and who is not depends on one's perspective. In the end some say everybody came from Africa. Even that is disputed because some say the Garden of Eden is between the Euphrates River and the Tigris River situated in today's Iraq where the first Man walked. And so life goes on. In the U.S. today the native Americans (mistakenly referred to as the Indians because someone thought he landed in India) are regarded as the ‘original’ inhabitants – but there is a growing body of opinion which says the ‘original’ inhabitants were Chinese from China and native Americans were descendants of these original inhabitants.

They were then followed by the Europeans who made America their home and they call it the ‘home of the free’ and the ‘land of the brave’. I have a problem with that because they enslaved the Indians and set themselves free – free to plunder and exploit, and in the process displaced the Indians first through deciminating the buffalos which the Indians depended for their sustenance, and stealing their land from under their feet so they could get at the gold buried underneath. They broke all the treaties they signed with the Indians. There was nothing brave about that!

That is the first wave of mass migration. They came on sea going vessels from Europe in search of a better life.

Today we see another wave of migration but this time they came on airplanes and containers of tankers, on foot through the desert of Mexico climbing over fences and in tunnels. The Mexicans claimed California as being theirs annexed by these Europeans from Europe.

So who is original and who is not depends on one’s perspective. In the end some say everybody came from Africa. Even that is disputed because some say the Garden of Eden is between the Euphrates River and the Tigris River situated in today’s Iraq where the first Man walked.

And so life goes on.

]]> By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-48040 AhPek Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:47:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-48040 The original people of Malaysia are the orang asli and the rest are pendatangs.Further more the most disadvantaged group is the orang aslis. If this nation has any sense of fair play it would certainly behove that special rights and special aids should be allotted to the orang aslis because of the following reasons: (1) They are very very small in numbers. (2) They have no political power. (3) They have no financial power (4) They have no military power It is only right they should be protected.Not the Malays of this country for they not only have all the powers stated above they also are the majority group of this country! The original people of Malaysia are the orang asli and the rest are pendatangs.Further more the most disadvantaged group is the orang aslis.
If this nation has any sense of fair play it would certainly behove that special rights and special aids should be allotted to the orang aslis because of the following reasons:
(1) They are very very small in numbers.
(2) They have no political power.
(3) They have no financial power
(4) They have no military power
It is only right they should be protected.Not the Malays of this country for they not only have all the powers stated above they also are the majority group of this country!

]]> By: shortie kiasu http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47984 shortie kiasu Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:14:40 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47984 May be we find some answers in the Auditor General's report in the past and keep track of the spending in the future, also future AG's report, on the spending on the Orang Asli allocation and budget. May be we find some answers in the Auditor General’s report in the past and keep track of the spending in the future, also future AG’s report, on the spending on the Orang Asli allocation and budget.

]]> By: k1980 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47974 k1980 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:50:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47974 Good riddance to MCA? http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/the-peoples-parliament-replies-to-yb-chew-mei-fun/ Either stand up to defend the constitution, both in parliament and outside, or be prepared to be shipped out of parliament at the next elections. Please convey this to your colleagues in MCA. Good riddance to MCA?
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/the-peoples-parliament-replies-to-yb-chew-mei-fun/
Either stand up to defend the constitution, both in parliament and outside, or be prepared to be shipped out of parliament at the next elections. Please convey this to your colleagues in MCA.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Malaysia: Funds Not Reaching the Right People http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47951 Global Voices Online » Malaysia: Funds Not Reaching the Right People Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:13:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47951 [...] politician Lim Kit Siang blogs his speech where he addresses the problems faced by the Orang Asli - the indigenous groups in Malaysia. Share [...] [...] politician Lim Kit Siang blogs his speech where he addresses the problems faced by the Orang Asli – the indigenous groups in Malaysia. Share [...]

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47944 undergrad2 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:01:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47944 The Orang Asli is worse off than the native Americans. There is today a mere 1.0 million of them mostly living in Indian Reservations. Every treaty that was ever signed with them was broken. Europeans took away their lands and destroyed their means of livelihood, decimating them in the process through a policy today known as ethnic cleansing. During a decade or so that I've been here I saw three of them on a bus, sitting at the back of the bus by themselves looking very much like foreigners in their own country. It is sad. But at least there is public recognition today that they are an 'endangered specie' worthy of protection by the U.S. government along with their buffalos! The Orang Asli is worse off than the native Americans. There is today a mere 1.0 million of them mostly living in Indian Reservations. Every treaty that was ever signed with them was broken. Europeans took away their lands and destroyed their means of livelihood, decimating them in the process through a policy today known as ethnic cleansing.

During a decade or so that I’ve been here I saw three of them on a bus, sitting at the back of the bus by themselves looking very much like foreigners in their own country. It is sad.

But at least there is public recognition today that they are an ‘endangered specie’ worthy of protection by the U.S. government along with their buffalos!

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47930 sotong Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:48:35 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47930 Could we just call ourselves Bangsa Asli ( only for Orang Asli ) and Bangsa Asing? Or Bangsa Bertongkat and Bangsa Asing Or just Bangsa Malaysia. Could we just call ourselves Bangsa Asli ( only for Orang Asli ) and Bangsa Asing?

Or Bangsa Bertongkat and Bangsa Asing

Or just Bangsa Malaysia.

]]> By: badak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47921 badak Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:00:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47921 If the orang Asli wants aid from the goverment they must be BN supporters, If they are not, then just forget it.No way can the opposition hold a ceramah in the many orang asli settlement all around the country. If the orang Asli wants aid from the goverment they must be BN supporters, If they are not, then just forget it.No way can the opposition hold a ceramah in the many orang asli settlement all around the country.

]]> By: Jamesy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47918 Jamesy Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:36:58 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47918 All the more the NEP should be abolished and a new policy to catered for the poorest of the poor irrespective of race and religion. The Orang Asli and those indigenous people in Sabah and Sarawak should be given priority. Even a simple life necessity like food, clothes, electricity, water and education is missing in their life. Expect the UMNO people to help the Orang Asli while retaining the NEP to enrich the undeserved rich UMNOputras is a smack in the face of the Orang Asli. 50 years or more down the line the livelihood of the Orang Asli will still be the same as always. And you are still wondering whether corruption be eradicated in Malaysia? All the more the NEP should be abolished and a new policy to catered for the poorest of the poor irrespective of race and religion. The Orang Asli and those indigenous people in Sabah and Sarawak should be given priority. Even a simple life necessity like food, clothes, electricity, water and education is missing in their life.

Expect the UMNO people to help the Orang Asli while retaining the NEP to enrich the undeserved rich UMNOputras is a smack in the face of the Orang Asli. 50 years or more down the line the livelihood of the Orang Asli will still be the same as always.

And you are still wondering whether corruption be eradicated in Malaysia?

]]> By: AnakTiriMalaysia http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47914 AnakTiriMalaysia Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:29:10 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47914 [AntiRacialDiscrimination Says: September 14th, 2007 at 12: 09.53 Orang Asli are the real bumiputra in Malaysia. Malays are not.] Yes, Malays are PENDATANG ASING DARI INDONESIA..... just came to Malaysia few generation earlier than INDIANS & CHINESE [AntiRacialDiscrimination Says:
September 14th, 2007 at 12: 09.53

Orang Asli are the real bumiputra in Malaysia. Malays are not.]

Yes, Malays are PENDATANG ASING DARI INDONESIA….. just came to Malaysia few generation earlier than INDIANS & CHINESE

]]> By: waterman http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47912 waterman Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:23:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47912 Uncle Lim Ok I just found your DAP web site. Cheers! Uncle Lim
Ok I just found your DAP web site.
Cheers!

]]> By: AntiRacialDiscrimination http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47908 AntiRacialDiscrimination Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:09:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47908 Orang Asli are the real bumiputra in Malaysia. Malays are not. Malays are also one of those BANGSA ASING who came here and hijacked the bumiputra status which rightfully belongs to Orang Asli. Orang Asli are the real bumiputra in Malaysia. Malays are not.

Malays are also one of those BANGSA ASING who came here and hijacked the bumiputra status which rightfully belongs to Orang Asli.

]]> By: waterman http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47906 waterman Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:54:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47906 Uncle Lim As a citizen of Malaysia,I would like to elect a Government that genuinely takes care of everyone. A Government that will do its outmost to eradicate every crook & every cheat and wisely optimise the use of our every natural resource and invest into every precious human capital. I've only been intorduced here for a few months and I'm absolutely shocked to get to know the appalling state of affairs of our nation, so much different from that as painted in all the major newspapers. I'm afraid the majority of our nation is still in the dark. But lets be honest, your current channel of information here has very limited audience. You should consider getting your messages translated into other languages in the web also and that will enlarge your audience quite substantially. I'm sure a lot of us are eager to participate in disseminating your info quickly on to our relatives & friends who may not have internet access and who will in turn inform theirs'. You may make available periodically simple one page printable summary of info you wish to be passed on. GE is just round the corner, I don't believe you will score much without a strong coalition with other genuinely caring parties but you know far better. Pardon me I'm just exploring... I'm very concerned about the future of every Malaysian irrespective of race & religion. I'm just wanting to do something more apart from using my vote wisely. You have managed to get a lot of us ranting & screaming & shouting here in your blog but Uncle please GET US INVOLVED in the way you know best, for the good of our country, Malaysia. Thanks Uncle & may God bless you & your family & Malaysia, the country we love! Waterman Paris. Uncle Lim

As a citizen of Malaysia,I would like to elect a Government that genuinely takes care of everyone. A Government that will do its outmost to eradicate every crook & every cheat and wisely optimise the use of our every natural resource and invest into every precious human capital.

I’ve only been intorduced here for a few months and I’m absolutely shocked to get to know the appalling state of affairs of our nation, so much different from that as painted in all the major newspapers. I’m afraid the majority of our nation is still in the dark.

But lets be honest, your current channel of information here has very limited audience. You should consider getting your messages translated into other languages in the web also and that will enlarge your audience quite substantially.

I’m sure a lot of us are eager to participate in disseminating your info quickly on to our relatives & friends who may not have internet access and who will in turn inform theirs’. You may make available periodically simple one page printable summary of info you wish to be passed on.

GE is just round the corner, I don’t believe you will score much without a strong coalition with other genuinely caring parties but you know far better.

Pardon me I’m just exploring… I’m very concerned about the future of every Malaysian irrespective of race & religion.

I’m just wanting to do something more apart from using my vote wisely. You have managed to get a lot of us ranting & screaming & shouting here in your blog but Uncle please GET US INVOLVED in the way you know best, for the good of our country, Malaysia.

Thanks Uncle & may God bless you & your family & Malaysia, the country we love!

Waterman
Paris.

]]> By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/comment-page-1/#comment-47905 ENDANGERED HORNBILL Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:42:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/14/orang-asli-allocations-not-how-much-but-what-reaches-them/#comment-47905 Can the Auditor-General confirm how much of the allocations actually reach the Orang Asli's pockets or projects? Give us some details on how the $$$ were spent? Was it RMxxx,000 for a few pairs of screw-drivers and some expired packs of Maggi Mee? Hey, Orang Asli may not be able to count but AG surely can! Can the Auditor-General confirm how much of the allocations actually reach the Orang Asli’s pockets or projects? Give us some details on how the $$$ were spent?

Was it RMxxx,000 for a few pairs of screw-drivers and some expired packs of Maggi Mee? Hey, Orang Asli may not be able to count but AG surely can!

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