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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47718</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey,

When the first plane struck the building, someone on the bus got a call on his cell phone. He told us some small plane had struck the World Trade Center - an accident. Then later he received another call to say that there was an explosion at the Pentagon. At this point the driver got a call from his head office that he was to turn back and the guy with the cell phone simply fled. The sun that morning was suddenly blocked by dust like there was a solar eclipse. (Thank God it was not a mushroom cloud!).

For those familiar with NYC, underneath the bus terminal where my bus was heading is an underground train connection to Times Square from where you continued to the base of the World Trade Center - Building 1. I could have been trapped at the last stop at the base of the World Trade Center when the first plane struck! All these underground stops are within walking distance from each other. You don&#039;t need to take the tube. But if you do that day you&#039;d be oblivious to what was going on up on the ground.

Today when somebody asks me, &quot;Where were you on 9/11?&quot; I would pull out my bus ticket which tells its own story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,</p>
<p>When the first plane struck the building, someone on the bus got a call on his cell phone. He told us some small plane had struck the World Trade Center &#8211; an accident. Then later he received another call to say that there was an explosion at the Pentagon. At this point the driver got a call from his head office that he was to turn back and the guy with the cell phone simply fled. The sun that morning was suddenly blocked by dust like there was a solar eclipse. (Thank God it was not a mushroom cloud!).</p>
<p>For those familiar with NYC, underneath the bus terminal where my bus was heading is an underground train connection to Times Square from where you continued to the base of the World Trade Center &#8211; Building 1. I could have been trapped at the last stop at the base of the World Trade Center when the first plane struck! All these underground stops are within walking distance from each other. You don&#8217;t need to take the tube. But if you do that day you&#8217;d be oblivious to what was going on up on the ground.</p>
<p>Today when somebody asks me, &#8220;Where were you on 9/11?&#8221; I would pull out my bus ticket which tells its own story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47665</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undergrad2,

Not aware of a Malaysian Chinese woman among the casualties!

That is why much of what happens in our lives, whether for the good or bad, is beyond control (say about 70%) leaving the rest of 30% to our ingenuity and effort to shape destiny and outcome favourable to our selves.

I would imagine that had you not been 30 minute late, you might still have survived to tell the tale provided you werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t heading towards inside the World Trade Towers and oblivious as to whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s happening. Passing by when the plane crashed into the first or second towers didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t cause it to instantly collapse, did it? Unless one stayed on below the tower to look at the phenomenon with jaws agape for 56 minutes, one should be out of harmÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s way. It is not as if it were a tsunami - instantaneous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undergrad2,</p>
<p>Not aware of a Malaysian Chinese woman among the casualties!</p>
<p>That is why much of what happens in our lives, whether for the good or bad, is beyond control (say about 70%) leaving the rest of 30% to our ingenuity and effort to shape destiny and outcome favourable to our selves.</p>
<p>I would imagine that had you not been 30 minute late, you might still have survived to tell the tale provided you werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t heading towards inside the World Trade Towers and oblivious as to whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s happening. Passing by when the plane crashed into the first or second towers didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t cause it to instantly collapse, did it? Unless one stayed on below the tower to look at the phenomenon with jaws agape for 56 minutes, one should be out of harmÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s way. It is not as if it were a tsunami &#8211; instantaneous.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47661</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gee Undergrad2, by the bus being 30 mins late, as destiny would have it, you have failed to secure a place in history ...&quot; Jeffrey

The bus over here unlike in Malaysia is always on time. It was me who was running late otherwise I would have turned to pulp like some 3,000 plus others out of which some 1,000 plus have yet to be identified. Some have their remains identified as recently as a few weeks ago through the advancement of  technology - DNA.

Like you say &quot;As destiny would have it...&quot; I live to see another day. But I thought intitial reports indicate there was a Malaysian Chinese woman among the casualties?

I still have the bus ticket. The bus fare read $12 for a round trip. The date stamped on it  9/11 and the time 9.50am. Yes, otherwise my name would be on the plaque preserved for eternity and Malaysians will remember me - but of course it would not read &quot;Undergrad2&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gee Undergrad2, by the bus being 30 mins late, as destiny would have it, you have failed to secure a place in history &#8230;&#8221; Jeffrey</p>
<p>The bus over here unlike in Malaysia is always on time. It was me who was running late otherwise I would have turned to pulp like some 3,000 plus others out of which some 1,000 plus have yet to be identified. Some have their remains identified as recently as a few weeks ago through the advancement of  technology &#8211; DNA.</p>
<p>Like you say &#8220;As destiny would have it&#8230;&#8221; I live to see another day. But I thought intitial reports indicate there was a Malaysian Chinese woman among the casualties?</p>
<p>I still have the bus ticket. The bus fare read $12 for a round trip. The date stamped on it  9/11 and the time 9.50am. Yes, otherwise my name would be on the plaque preserved for eternity and Malaysians will remember me &#8211; but of course it would not read &#8220;Undergrad2&#8243;!</p>
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		<title>By: awesome</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47652</link>
		<dc:creator>awesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Wrathofgrapes, we both speaking the same language.  

Ya it is not nice la to tell chinese and Indians to balik their country of origin.  They are legal citizens unlike the illegal Indonesians.  The fanatism of forcing Islam into people throat is ridiculious.  Like Osama threat to US, &#039;convert or.....&#039;  

Where is merdeka?  Where is freedom to choose what you believe from your heart not because you are forced to or given special benefits?  Are we held bound?  Are the chains of control imprisonating us?

Would oneday the liberty be granted?  Who knows?  What is the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wrathofgrapes, we both speaking the same language.  </p>
<p>Ya it is not nice la to tell chinese and Indians to balik their country of origin.  They are legal citizens unlike the illegal Indonesians.  The fanatism of forcing Islam into people throat is ridiculious.  Like Osama threat to US, &#8216;convert or&#8230;..&#8217;  </p>
<p>Where is merdeka?  Where is freedom to choose what you believe from your heart not because you are forced to or given special benefits?  Are we held bound?  Are the chains of control imprisonating us?</p>
<p>Would oneday the liberty be granted?  Who knows?  What is the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47651</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - what a pity!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; what a pity!<br />
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47649</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///awesome Says: 
Wrathofgrapes, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t stir trouble and spill your wrath. Malays are lovely people not selfish like you. Islam probably makes us like that. What a heritage! ///

awesome - how can that be stirring trouble?  I am just paraphrasing Farish&#039;s words. Doesn&#039;t what Farish said apply to the creeping Islamization of Malaysia, the Linda Joy &amp; Moorthy cases? The massive influx of Illegal Indonesians?  The &quot;balik Cina dan India&quot; if you don&#039;t like it here?

Let me tell you what is stirring trouble and incurring the wrath of the people.  It is the politicos stating that Malaysia is an Islamic State.  It is the wet-behind-the-ears politicians waving the keris and wanting to bathe it in Chinese blood. It is the culling of pigs in pig farms without any compensation.  It is instigating riots and shooting by policemen. Get the true picture?  I know, I know, the truth hurts.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///awesome Says:<br />
Wrathofgrapes, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t stir trouble and spill your wrath. Malays are lovely people not selfish like you. Islam probably makes us like that. What a heritage! ///</p>
<p>awesome &#8211; how can that be stirring trouble?  I am just paraphrasing Farish&#8217;s words. Doesn&#8217;t what Farish said apply to the creeping Islamization of Malaysia, the Linda Joy &amp; Moorthy cases? The massive influx of Illegal Indonesians?  The &#8220;balik Cina dan India&#8221; if you don&#8217;t like it here?</p>
<p>Let me tell you what is stirring trouble and incurring the wrath of the people.  It is the politicos stating that Malaysia is an Islamic State.  It is the wet-behind-the-ears politicians waving the keris and wanting to bathe it in Chinese blood. It is the culling of pigs in pig farms without any compensation.  It is instigating riots and shooting by policemen. Get the true picture?  I know, I know, the truth hurts&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47643</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee Undergrad2, by the bus being 30 mins late, as destiny would have it, you have failed to secure a place in history of being the first Malaysian casualty of a terrorist attack! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Undergrad2, by the bus being 30 mins late, as destiny would have it, you have failed to secure a place in history of being the first Malaysian casualty of a terrorist attack! :)</p>
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		<title>By: awesome</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47624</link>
		<dc:creator>awesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrathofgrapes, don&#039;t stir trouble and spill your wrath.  Malays are lovely people not selfish like you.  Islam probably makes us like that.  What a heritage!  

I think you should come out of your shell and narrow frame of mind and read more - not on Islam and islamic books. Read and widen your prespective on other beliefs and understand our fellow citizens.  Stop treating them like aliens.

Indians and Chinese had contributed so much to our economy.  They have been discriminated a lot.  Sure they are upset.  We are pampered can&#039;t you see.

You should have walked through their struggles and be compassionate towards them.  We want peace right?  Why spark off unnecessary strife and anger by your hurting remarks.

You know there are many malays living overseas and just imagine how terrible it would be for us if the same treatment is given.  So be cool if you love your people and culture.  Sow love not hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrathofgrapes, don&#8217;t stir trouble and spill your wrath.  Malays are lovely people not selfish like you.  Islam probably makes us like that.  What a heritage!  </p>
<p>I think you should come out of your shell and narrow frame of mind and read more &#8211; not on Islam and islamic books. Read and widen your prespective on other beliefs and understand our fellow citizens.  Stop treating them like aliens.</p>
<p>Indians and Chinese had contributed so much to our economy.  They have been discriminated a lot.  Sure they are upset.  We are pampered can&#8217;t you see.</p>
<p>You should have walked through their struggles and be compassionate towards them.  We want peace right?  Why spark off unnecessary strife and anger by your hurting remarks.</p>
<p>You know there are many malays living overseas and just imagine how terrible it would be for us if the same treatment is given.  So be cool if you love your people and culture.  Sow love not hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47600</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is 9/11 - a day to reflect how the world has changed since. Where were you when the first plane struck the World Trade Center? I was on a bus 30 minutes away and heading towards Ground Zero. Had I not been running late for an appointment, I would be right under the first tower when the first plane struck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is 9/11 &#8211; a day to reflect how the world has changed since. Where were you when the first plane struck the World Trade Center? I was on a bus 30 minutes away and heading towards Ground Zero. Had I not been running late for an appointment, I would be right under the first tower when the first plane struck.</p>
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		<title>By: karaoke singer</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47596</link>
		<dc:creator>karaoke singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osama ben Laden calls for the embracing of Islam to achieve world peace. But why would Muslims want to leave their country of origin and settle in a country where Islam is not an official religion and not an Islamic state ? If Islam can guarantees world peace, these Muslims should all the more stay back in their trouble stricken countries. Their countries should be like Eden pre sin era. One of the Barisan Nasional politicians said that the people and here it means the Malays who burned the glorious stripes should get out of Malaysia and go elsewhere. See it makes no sense. And when you do get to the other country, you find that people do not want you around. That is call peace ? Religion is not the actual provocating factor. It is money. Muslims talk about money. Other religion believing people talk about money. The end of the world will come when the power of money no longer rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osama ben Laden calls for the embracing of Islam to achieve world peace. But why would Muslims want to leave their country of origin and settle in a country where Islam is not an official religion and not an Islamic state ? If Islam can guarantees world peace, these Muslims should all the more stay back in their trouble stricken countries. Their countries should be like Eden pre sin era. One of the Barisan Nasional politicians said that the people and here it means the Malays who burned the glorious stripes should get out of Malaysia and go elsewhere. See it makes no sense. And when you do get to the other country, you find that people do not want you around. That is call peace ? Religion is not the actual provocating factor. It is money. Muslims talk about money. Other religion believing people talk about money. The end of the world will come when the power of money no longer rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Blues &#171; Philosophy By Numbers</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47593</link>
		<dc:creator>Blues &#171; Philosophy By Numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Pathologisation of Muslims in Europe.Ã‚Â  And some of the comments about Malaysia below, are heart-breakingly spot on. Also, related a bit to this - Swiss row over black sheep poster. Switzerland has always been one of those places that seems so&#8230; close to ideal. Reading things like this is so demoralising - especially in the light of the clusterfuck that was the MTV VMAs. I&#8217;m a poptimist, always have been, but it does feel as if my soul is being destroyed a bit everytime I hear about someone&#8217;s 10,000-dollar awards show gift bag. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Pathologisation of Muslims in Europe.Ã‚Â  And some of the comments about Malaysia below, are heart-breakingly spot on. Also, related a bit to this &#8211; Swiss row over black sheep poster. Switzerland has always been one of those places that seems so&#8230; close to ideal. Reading things like this is so demoralising &#8211; especially in the light of the clusterfuck that was the MTV VMAs. I&#8217;m a poptimist, always have been, but it does feel as if my soul is being destroyed a bit everytime I hear about someone&#8217;s 10,000-dollar awards show gift bag. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: devilmaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47550</link>
		<dc:creator>devilmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So why donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t umno take up their case to the World Court?&quot; - k1980
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UMNO can only function under half-past 6 govt. They cannot survive outside of it. Just like sperm. They can only live inside the body. Once outside, they will struggle, and eventually die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So why donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t umno take up their case to the World Court?&#8221; &#8211; k1980<br />
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<p>UMNO can only function under half-past 6 govt. They cannot survive outside of it. Just like sperm. They can only live inside the body. Once outside, they will struggle, and eventually die.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47548</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the millions of Muslims in Europe, the US ect given special priviledges such as govt contracts, employment preference, university entry and the like? The answer is NO. So why don&#039;t umno take up their case to the World Court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the millions of Muslims in Europe, the US ect given special priviledges such as govt contracts, employment preference, university entry and the like? The answer is NO. So why don&#8217;t umno take up their case to the World Court?</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47546</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. Muslim population is three million, less than 2 percent of the population.  In France (Algerian, Moroccan) that population reaches 7 to 10 percent, that is five to seven million Muslims.  The Netherlands Muslim (Moroccan) population reaches one million or 6.2 percent of the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 16 million people. GermanyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Muslim population (Turkish) is about 3.7 percent (approximately three million) and BelgiumÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3.7 percent.  The U.K number is 2.7 percent or about two million, but radical fundamentalism prevails in many British mosques and communities. Thus France and the Netherlands have the largest Muslim populations as a percent of their population, followed by Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Britain at around 3 percent. Norway, Finland, and Ireland have among the smallest Muslim populations in Western Europe, under one percent.

2 million Muslim terrorists in Britain if....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404525&amp;in_page_id=1770&amp;in_a_source</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Muslim population is three million, less than 2 percent of the population.  In France (Algerian, Moroccan) that population reaches 7 to 10 percent, that is five to seven million Muslims.  The Netherlands Muslim (Moroccan) population reaches one million or 6.2 percent of the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 16 million people. GermanyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Muslim population (Turkish) is about 3.7 percent (approximately three million) and BelgiumÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3.7 percent.  The U.K number is 2.7 percent or about two million, but radical fundamentalism prevails in many British mosques and communities. Thus France and the Netherlands have the largest Muslim populations as a percent of their population, followed by Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and Britain at around 3 percent. Norway, Finland, and Ireland have among the smallest Muslim populations in Western Europe, under one percent.</p>
<p>2 million Muslim terrorists in Britain if&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404525&#038;in_page_id=1770&#038;in_a_source" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404525&#038;in_page_id=1770&#038;in_a_source</a></p>
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		<title>By: sotong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47540</link>
		<dc:creator>sotong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world only hear the voices of terrorists, extremists and fundamentalists Muslims with their narrow and damaging political objectives.

It is long overdue for moderate and progressive Muslims to come forward and express their views on Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world only hear the voices of terrorists, extremists and fundamentalists Muslims with their narrow and damaging political objectives.</p>
<p>It is long overdue for moderate and progressive Muslims to come forward and express their views on Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farish, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t understand Ã¢â‚¬â€œ what has the Ã¢â‚¬ËœravagingÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ effects of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ altering Ã¢â‚¬Å“the way we live, think and see ourselves in the worldÃ¢â‚¬Â got to do with the demonising Ã¢â‚¬Ëœminorities in our midst or the clash between Islamic and Judeo-Christian heritage and culture?

Minorities have been demonized and persecuted by all sides since time immemorial before the Industrial Revolution and advent of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢! 

If anything on of the beneficent effects of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ is that it bridges communities of diverse heritage by the common unity of capital and money : the liaison of Dodi al-Fayed and Princess Diana the acquisition and ownership of English upmarket retail group Harrods by rich muslim Mohamed al-Fayed! 
Even today, the casinos of the world are enriched not just by inveterate Chinese gamblers by rich Arabs!

But seriously, are the Europeans excluding Muslims or the other way around the Muslims excluding themselves from mainstream anywhere in which they are minorities?

There is, however, a rationale for Muslims excluding themselves. 

Europe like North America is in the grip of global capital.

And Global capital thrives in a cultural milieu and legal regime based an amalgam of the following seamless values : economic and political freedom based on freedom of expression and individual liberties, secular laws and governments playing neutral to all Gods including the Money God, the belief that man carves his own destiny and devises his own laws Ã¢â‚¬â€œ something of an antithesis to Global Islam, and certainly its variant Political Islam which believes in an individualÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s complete submission to the sovereignty of the AlmightyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s laws and prescribed way of life tolerating no diversity or apostasy and uniting under global Muslim brotherhood of Ummah.  

Increasingly, then, the battle is shaping not so much between Islamic and Judeo-Christian heritage/culture (ala Samuel HuntingtonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s version) but between global capitalism and global Islam. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farish, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t understand Ã¢â‚¬â€œ what has the Ã¢â‚¬ËœravagingÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ effects of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ altering Ã¢â‚¬Å“the way we live, think and see ourselves in the worldÃ¢â‚¬Â got to do with the demonising Ã¢â‚¬Ëœminorities in our midst or the clash between Islamic and Judeo-Christian heritage and culture?</p>
<p>Minorities have been demonized and persecuted by all sides since time immemorial before the Industrial Revolution and advent of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢! </p>
<p>If anything on of the beneficent effects of Ã¢â‚¬Ëœunrestrained global capitalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ is that it bridges communities of diverse heritage by the common unity of capital and money : the liaison of Dodi al-Fayed and Princess Diana the acquisition and ownership of English upmarket retail group Harrods by rich muslim Mohamed al-Fayed!<br />
Even today, the casinos of the world are enriched not just by inveterate Chinese gamblers by rich Arabs!</p>
<p>But seriously, are the Europeans excluding Muslims or the other way around the Muslims excluding themselves from mainstream anywhere in which they are minorities?</p>
<p>There is, however, a rationale for Muslims excluding themselves. </p>
<p>Europe like North America is in the grip of global capital.</p>
<p>And Global capital thrives in a cultural milieu and legal regime based an amalgam of the following seamless values : economic and political freedom based on freedom of expression and individual liberties, secular laws and governments playing neutral to all Gods including the Money God, the belief that man carves his own destiny and devises his own laws Ã¢â‚¬â€œ something of an antithesis to Global Islam, and certainly its variant Political Islam which believes in an individualÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s complete submission to the sovereignty of the AlmightyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s laws and prescribed way of life tolerating no diversity or apostasy and uniting under global Muslim brotherhood of Ummah.  </p>
<p>Increasingly, then, the battle is shaping not so much between Islamic and Judeo-Christian heritage/culture (ala Samuel HuntingtonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s version) but between global capitalism and global Islam. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47534</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farish,

Maybe better to focus your energy on the country of your birth.

Ã¢â‚¬ËœNo we are not racist. It is just that we need to preserve and protect our Malay identity and culture, and our Islamic heritage. The more Chinese/Indians come here, the less we know who and what we are. We cannot allow our identity and culture to be confused like thatÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬â„¢

Now, isn&#039;t that better?  Isn&#039;t that much closer to home and the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farish,</p>
<p>Maybe better to focus your energy on the country of your birth.</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬ËœNo we are not racist. It is just that we need to preserve and protect our Malay identity and culture, and our Islamic heritage. The more Chinese/Indians come here, the less we know who and what we are. We cannot allow our identity and culture to be confused like thatÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬â„¢</p>
<p>Now, isn&#8217;t that better?  Isn&#8217;t that much closer to home and the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/09/11/the-pathologisation-of-muslims-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-47531</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this too happen in BolehLand?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426314.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this too happen in BolehLand?<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426314.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426314.ece</a></p>
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