Comments on: Malaysia and the Dilemma of Assimilation (part II) http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:45:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jackrusso http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-47572 jackrusso Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:18:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-47572 Islamisation had started decades ago. Slowly but surely, we are moving away from the sacred tenets of the constitution which unequivocally states that Malaysia is a SECULAR STATE. It seems that secularism is falling into abeyance. In melaka, they are after the pigs. In selayang, they are after the dogs. Next? Temples have been demolished. Next? MCA and MIC have no place under the Malaysian sun. The sooner they realise it, the better it is. Islamisation had started decades ago. Slowly but surely, we are moving away from the sacred tenets of the constitution which unequivocally states that Malaysia is a SECULAR STATE.

It seems that secularism is falling into abeyance.

In melaka, they are after the pigs. In selayang, they are after the dogs. Next?

Temples have been demolished. Next?

MCA and MIC have no place under the Malaysian sun. The sooner they realise it, the better it is.

]]> By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46620 ktteokt Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:47:27 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46620 The battle is on, phase 1 of islamization has already taken place with the banning of pig-rearing in the state of Melaka. Soon enough, other steps will come in force and these may include compulsory embracement of Islam by non-Muslims, conversion of temples and churches into mosque, total ban on pig-rearing, etc. If this is what AAB wants of an Islamic state, then what has MCA got to say about it? Would all the big-shots and members in MCA voluntarily line up to undergo "sunat" and throw away their ancestral worship tablets? The battle is on, phase 1 of islamization has already taken place with the banning of pig-rearing in the state of Melaka. Soon enough, other steps will come in force and these may include compulsory embracement of Islam by non-Muslims, conversion of temples and churches into mosque, total ban on pig-rearing, etc.

If this is what AAB wants of an Islamic state, then what has MCA got to say about it? Would all the big-shots and members in MCA voluntarily line up to undergo “sunat” and throw away their ancestral worship tablets?

]]> By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46561 ktteokt Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:45:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46561 If at all Malaysia is an Islamic state, why is there PAS standing in its way as an opposition party? Is PAS Islam different from UMNO Islam? Do they use different Al-Qurans? Shouldn't PAS be made a component party in the government since it embraces Islam? And what are the other non-Islamic parties such as the MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP, etc doing in BN? Do they know the least bit about Islamic law or how to run an "Islamic country"? Are the members of these parties all Muslims? Do they not eat pork? Have they been "sunat"? If the answer to any one of these questions is "NO", then they are not fit to be in the government which claims to run an Islamic country. If at all Malaysia is an Islamic state, why is there PAS standing in its way as an opposition party? Is PAS Islam different from UMNO Islam? Do they use different Al-Qurans? Shouldn’t PAS be made a component party in the government since it embraces Islam?

And what are the other non-Islamic parties such as the MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PPP, etc doing in BN? Do they know the least bit about Islamic law or how to run an “Islamic country”? Are the members of these parties all Muslims? Do they not eat pork? Have they been “sunat”? If the answer to any one of these questions is “NO”, then they are not fit to be in the government which claims to run an Islamic country.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46341 undergrad2 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:29:18 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46341 "If Islam is so good and will lead us to heaven, why other races are hesitating to embrace and adopt it? " Because there are other Gods and other avenues of going to Heaven? Because the Constitution says we have freedom of religion? “If Islam is so good and will lead us to heaven, why other races are hesitating to embrace and adopt it? ”

Because there are other Gods and other avenues of going to Heaven? Because the Constitution says we have freedom of religion?

]]> By: greatstuff http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46189 greatstuff Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:06:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46189 PM-T.A.R said Secular in 1957, PM-A.R also said so after that, PM-H.O also did, PM-Dr.M all of a sudden said it was already an Islamic State even if no one else had been consulted, DPM-N.T-R said it’s a bit of this and a bit of that, PM-A.A.B said a couple of things to add to the confusion and then made the Islamic State statement but with it’s special Malaysian Brand…. telll me, what the heck is going on, are you also confused? After PM-A.A.B,it’s anyones guess, why don't we just go back to the good old days of post 1957,and just be a Secular State again?? PM-T.A.R said Secular in 1957, PM-A.R also said so after that,
PM-H.O also did, PM-Dr.M all of a sudden said it was already an Islamic State even if no one else had been consulted, DPM-N.T-R said it’s a bit of this and a bit of that, PM-A.A.B said a couple of things to add to the confusion and then made the Islamic State statement but with it’s special Malaysian Brand…. telll me, what the heck is going on, are you also confused? After PM-A.A.B,it’s anyones guess, why don’t we just go back to the good old days of post 1957,and just be a Secular State again??

]]> By: mickey01 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46157 mickey01 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:06:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46157 Msia is a racialist country tat care for bumiputras. Like South Africa in the past which adopt the white race policy tat discriminate against other races. Many poor people in Msia are neglected and living below poverty line. Rich Unmo members become richer and more and more daring in getting corrupted and abuse the system. Govt cares only about Msia is a islamic country. For what? If islam is so good and will lead us to heaven, why other races are hesitating to embrace and adopt it? Very simple, we do not want to get into this trap of one way ticket of no return. Once a muslim forever a muslim. No turning back if you want to retract. It is a life and death issue! Msia is a racialist country tat care for bumiputras. Like South Africa in the past which adopt the white race policy tat discriminate against other races. Many poor people in Msia are neglected and living below poverty line. Rich Unmo members become richer and more and more daring in getting corrupted and abuse the system. Govt cares only about Msia is a islamic country. For what? If islam is so good and will lead us to heaven, why other races are hesitating to embrace and adopt it? Very simple, we do not want to get into this trap of one way ticket of no return. Once a muslim forever a muslim. No turning back if you want to retract. It is a life and death issue!

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46150 sotong Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:55:32 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46150 Integration is important to keep the diverse culture and traditions of the country....assimilation will destroy it! Having said that, it is utmost important the unique culture and traditions of the Bumi and their way of life are fully protected for the benefit of generations to come....it distinguishes us from the rest of the world - this is the country most valuable asset. Integration is important to keep the diverse culture and traditions of the country….assimilation will destroy it!

Having said that, it is utmost important the unique culture and traditions of the Bumi and their way of life are fully protected for the benefit of generations to come….it distinguishes us from the rest of the world – this is the country most valuable asset.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46139 undergrad2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:15:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46139 ooops 'word' ooops ‘word’

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46138 undergrad2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:15:28 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46138 In Malaysia the word 'assimilation' has been made into a dirty by certain politicians who are bent on playing racial politics. In Malaysia the word ‘assimilation’ has been made into a dirty by certain politicians who are bent on playing racial politics.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46136 undergrad2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:10:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46136 "For a start, it would be ridiculous to ask any Malaysian today to integrate any further as most of the non-Malay citizens of this country are in fact descendants of third, fourth if not fifth generation migrants..." If assimilation is interpreted by the Chinese to mean wearing the songkok, batek shirts and the kebaya to state functions this 31st of August it is but one model of integration that its opponents would scream assimilation as if it is a dirty word. Let the political scientists and sociologists agree to disagree on the meaning of 'integration' and 'assimilation'. There are as many models of integration as there are political scientists and sociologists who care to write about it. But to us common folks we know a well integrated or assimilated individual when they see one. Today we cannot deny that over the last five decades there has been a fair degree of integration or 'assimilation' as some would call it. In the 50s and 60s you could not find a Chinese girl working as a bank clerk talking in Bahasa and comes dressed in baju kurong and sarong. If that is not assimilation, then what is? A duck is a duck when it walks like a duck. Some you guys may have girlfriends who walk like one but that does not, however, make her a duck. So don't you duck shooting! 'Integration' or 'assimilation' ? What does it matter? In the U.S. there are calls by Congressmen for hispanics who are recent immigrants to assimilate i.e. learn to speak English and adapt to American culture. Calls for assimilation are never accompanied by protests from politicians. “For a start, it would be ridiculous to ask any Malaysian today to integrate any further as most of the non-Malay citizens of this country are in fact descendants of third, fourth if not fifth generation migrants…”

If assimilation is interpreted by the Chinese to mean wearing the songkok, batek shirts and the kebaya to state functions this 31st of August it is but one model of integration that its opponents would scream assimilation as if it is a dirty word.

Let the political scientists and sociologists agree to disagree on the meaning of ‘integration’ and ‘assimilation’. There are as many models of integration as there are political scientists and sociologists who care to write about it. But to us common folks we know a well integrated or assimilated individual when they see one. Today we cannot deny that over the last five decades there has been a fair degree of integration or ‘assimilation’ as some would call it.

In the 50s and 60s you could not find a Chinese girl working as a bank clerk talking in Bahasa and comes dressed in baju kurong and sarong. If that is not assimilation, then what is? A duck is a duck when it walks like a duck. Some you guys may have girlfriends who walk like one but that does not, however, make her a duck. So don’t you duck shooting!

‘Integration’ or ‘assimilation’ ? What does it matter?

In the U.S. there are calls by Congressmen for hispanics who are recent immigrants to assimilate i.e. learn to speak English and adapt to American culture. Calls for assimilation are never accompanied by protests from politicians.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46126 undergrad2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:28:39 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46126 "How can there be any significant, meaningful long-term development in the country when the very rules of the political game change again and again?" If they keep shifting the goal posts, even Beckham couldn't bend it like Beckham. “How can there be any significant, meaningful long-term development in the country when the very rules of the political game change again and again?”

If they keep shifting the goal posts, even Beckham couldn’t bend it like Beckham.

]]> By: cklife http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46078 cklife Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:20:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46078 We need a new Malaysian conceptual fighter like Dr. Burhanuddin. Farish Noor.. can you be one? We need a new Malaysian conceptual fighter like Dr. Burhanuddin.
Farish Noor.. can you be one?

]]> By: patriotic1994 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46077 patriotic1994 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:20:22 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46077 Come on guys... the more I see the situation, the more I feel like all are just for show. Basically our PM has no idea what to do. He just speak out from his mouth, not from his mind. His brain is blank. Complete empty. I have a feeling that all this will be gone after election when new government come in, probably Opposition party, and we finally have the chance for a New Malaysia. A lot of undoing. A lot of repair works to do. I just hope there isn't too much damage until it is unrecoverable, like what happen to Iraq. Come on guys… the more I see the situation, the more I feel like all are just for show. Basically our PM has no idea what to do. He just speak out from his mouth, not from his mind. His brain is blank. Complete empty.

I have a feeling that all this will be gone after election when new government come in, probably Opposition party, and we finally have the chance for a New Malaysia. A lot of undoing. A lot of repair works to do. I just hope there isn’t too much damage until it is unrecoverable, like what happen to Iraq.

]]> By: hopeforfairness http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46074 hopeforfairness Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:46:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46074 Wait a minute,I saw something special when i searched through wikipedia regarding Najib,the DPM. -->In 1987, as UMNO Youth Chief, Najib defended special Malay privileges in a speech where he vowed to bathe the keris (Malay dagger) with Chinese blood. Shortly afterwards, the government launched a crackdown on extremist elements, termed Operation Lalang, although Najib was not detained. Sources:Wikipedia Wah,I am so scary man! Some more,He recently declared that Malaysia has, "never been secular because being secular by Western definition means separation of the Islamic principles in the way we govern the country Malaysia is a good country,if without racial issues and political issues. It seems that the controversies WILL NEVER END. Wait a minute,I saw something special when i searched through wikipedia regarding Najib,the DPM.

–>In 1987, as UMNO Youth Chief, Najib defended special Malay privileges in a speech where he vowed to bathe the keris (Malay dagger) with Chinese blood. Shortly afterwards, the government launched a crackdown on extremist elements, termed Operation Lalang, although Najib was not detained.

Sources:Wikipedia

Wah,I am so scary man!

Some more,He recently declared that Malaysia has, “never been secular because being secular by Western definition means separation of the Islamic principles in the way we govern the country

Malaysia is a good country,if without racial issues and political issues.
It seems that the controversies WILL NEVER END.

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46072 dawsheng Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:01:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46072 "Lets all wear Yellow on National day and Malaysia day as support for our Royalty!" Lakshy Are you sure??? Who is the leaders here??? Why should we wear yellow??? If the Agong sack Abdullah Badawi on Merdeka day, every year I will wear yellow, that's the deal! If the Sultans can't lead the nation that's because they got no guts! “Lets all wear Yellow on National day and Malaysia day as support for our Royalty!” Lakshy

Are you sure??? Who is the leaders here??? Why should we wear yellow??? If the Agong sack Abdullah Badawi on Merdeka day, every year I will wear yellow, that’s the deal! If the Sultans can’t lead the nation that’s because they got no guts!

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46071 dawsheng Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:54:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46071 For UMNO, Allah is now the solution for the country so don't blame them if anything goes wrong, its God's will. For UMNO, Allah is now the solution for the country so don’t blame them if anything goes wrong, its God’s will.

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46069 dawsheng Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:38:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46069 Whent a country is led by a corrupted govt such as ours, it does not matter whether you are secular or Islamic state, the consequences will still be disaster. When a corrupted govt proclaimed itself as running an Islamic state, you know its blssphemy and it is any other sin cannot match in hell. But why UMNO now made Allah as their most staunch political ally? Because the political agenda for the Malay race is now very weak. Malay can see how their own kind plunders the nation wealth, they also know they didn't work hard enough and they didn't deserves what they enjoy today. But they have to swallow their pride to admit it and that's very hard to do, in fact it is impossible for them to do but they came close to walk out of the closet and tell the whole world we have been suckie (but we all know already)! So they pretend to be clueless so they can take it easy, they hope things won't change, as long as they can continue to live comfortably on the expense of others, its God's gift! So yes, Islamic state is for this type of Malay and they supports UMNO. Whent a country is led by a corrupted govt such as ours, it does not matter whether you are secular or Islamic state, the consequences will still be disaster. When a corrupted govt proclaimed itself as running an Islamic state, you know its blssphemy and it is any other sin cannot match in hell. But why UMNO now made Allah as their most staunch political ally? Because the political agenda for the Malay race is now very weak. Malay can see how their own kind plunders the nation wealth, they also know they didn’t work hard enough and they didn’t deserves what they enjoy today. But they have to swallow their pride to admit it and that’s very hard to do, in fact it is impossible for them to do but they came close to walk out of the closet and tell the whole world we have been suckie (but we all know already)! So they pretend to be clueless so they can take it easy, they hope things won’t change, as long as they can continue to live comfortably on the expense of others, its God’s gift! So yes, Islamic state is for this type of Malay and they supports UMNO.

]]> By: ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46068 ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:10:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46068 In God's view , all men /women are equal. forget about what the ministers have spoken. they are merely using religion as a shield for their self glorification and enrichment. just VOTE WITH CONSCIENCE. and for those who dont vote - start voting. and those who have not registered - do it now please. otherwise, grandmother goose story will be the same comes next general election. In God’s view , all men /women are equal.

forget about what the ministers have spoken.

they are merely using religion as a shield for their self glorification and enrichment.

just VOTE WITH CONSCIENCE.

and for those who dont vote – start voting.
and those who have not registered – do it now please.

otherwise, grandmother goose story will be the same comes next general election.

]]> By: lakshy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46066 lakshy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:48:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46066 Lets all wear Yellow on National day and Malaysia day as support for our Royalty! Lets show our Royalty that we support them. Let them have the confidence tahtw e are behind them so that they can take definitive action for the good of the country. Lets all wear Yellow! Lets all wear Yellow on National day and Malaysia day as support for our Royalty! Lets show our Royalty that we support them. Let them have the confidence tahtw e are behind them so that they can take definitive action for the good of the country. Lets all wear Yellow!

]]> By: akarmalaysian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-46065 akarmalaysian Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:46:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/29/malaysia-and-the-dilemma-of-assimilation/#comment-46065 our PM most of the time is nothing but all empty talks.he doesnt hv the charisma and the quality of a good leader.if u wanna talk abt our multi national issues here...just face the facts on what your own people is doing now.if you are talking abt being fair...forget it.if you wanna talk abt transparencies....dream on.if you wanna talk abt corruption...you dont even knw what it's really about in the 1st place.if you wanna talk abt justice...you are just a laughing stock.and if you are really faced with a question in a tight spot...sigh...its your usual famous "i dont knw" thats what we will be getting fr you.if you think the government is clean...we doubt if you ever knw whos clean in your cabinets.the only "clean" thing we knw fr you that you ever mention is to emulate the clean toilets fr Japan.we really dun need suckers...all we need is a fair government.the people make the economic power.not you.always rememeber that Mr PM. our PM most of the time is nothing but all empty talks.he doesnt hv the charisma and the quality of a good leader.if u wanna talk abt our multi national issues here…just face the facts on what your own people is doing now.if you are talking abt being fair…forget it.if you wanna talk abt transparencies….dream on.if you wanna talk abt corruption…you dont even knw what it’s really about in the 1st place.if you wanna talk abt justice…you are just a laughing stock.and if you are really faced with a question in a tight spot…sigh…its your usual famous “i dont knw” thats what we will be getting fr you.if you think the government is clean…we doubt if you ever knw whos clean in your cabinets.the only “clean” thing we knw fr you that you ever mention is to emulate the clean toilets fr Japan.we really dun need suckers…all we need is a fair government.the people make the economic power.not you.always rememeber that Mr PM.

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