Comments on: Should Malaysia’s RM11 billion health service be privatized? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Woody http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43053 Woody Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:49:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43053 Where there is oppurnity to make money they privatise them. Who knows what next? Maybe privatise the custom department or the immigration department or even the parliment in future... Where there is oppurnity to make money they privatise them. Who knows what next? Maybe privatise the custom department or the immigration department or even the parliment in future…

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43028 undergrad2 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:39:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43028 Privatization does not make sense unless it is considered in the wider context of a public health care system. Privatization does not make sense unless it is considered in the wider context of a public health care system.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43026 undergrad2 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:38:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43026 In short the cost benefit analysis will show that it would be too costly to have a system like the NHS in Britain. In short the cost benefit analysis will show that it would be too costly to have a system like the NHS in Britain.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43025 undergrad2 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:36:12 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43025 No. I think the issue here is whether the country should have a parallel system of public health - one funded directly by the government from the use of public funds and an alternative which those who could afford it could use. We don't even have what is normally referred to as a 'system.' There is no such thing as insurance, for example, subsidized by employers for those working. There is certainly nothing the unemployed could fall back on. Zilch! There is none of the Medicare, Medicaid etc which working and poor Malaysians could fall back on. You are left pretty much on your own. No. I think the issue here is whether the country should have a parallel system of public health – one funded directly by the government from the use of public funds and an alternative which those who could afford it could use.

We don’t even have what is normally referred to as a ‘system.’ There is no such thing as insurance, for example, subsidized by employers for those working. There is certainly nothing the unemployed could fall back on. Zilch!

There is none of the Medicare, Medicaid etc which working and poor Malaysians could fall back on. You are left pretty much on your own.

]]> By: shortie kiasu http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43020 shortie kiasu Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:02:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43020 There are limits and drawbacks to total privatization, especially public services, the charges will definitely skyrocketed because people will be purchasing the services from commercial concerns which are out there to make profits anyway. Essential services should remain in government control, should remain non profit and service orientated operations. There are limits and drawbacks to total privatization, especially public services, the charges will definitely skyrocketed because people will be purchasing the services from commercial concerns which are out there to make profits anyway.

Essential services should remain in government control, should remain non profit and service orientated operations.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43015 undergrad2 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:36:27 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43015 Look! There is no such thing as a public health system in Malaysia today. There are only hospitals and clinics. Will there ever be one? Not in the foreseeable future. It will cost too much. The NHS in the U.K. is not working as well as it should because of the lack of funding. The U.K. has this 'cradle to grave' socialistic approach but look at their income taxes! Look! There is no such thing as a public health system in Malaysia today. There are only hospitals and clinics.

Will there ever be one? Not in the foreseeable future. It will cost too much. The NHS in the U.K. is not working as well as it should because of the lack of funding. The U.K. has this ‘cradle to grave’ socialistic approach but look at their income taxes!

]]> By: k1980 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-43006 k1980 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:31:52 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-43006 The privatisation of healthcare in many countries has proved to be detrimental to the welfare of the ordinary people. Question:So why introduce it here? Answer: To let the govt save billions of ringgit annually! http://www.pcdom.org.my/pubinfo/discforum/nview38 The MMA, representing 80% of medical doctors in the country, has now joined the Malayan Nurses’ Union (representing government service nurses) and the Estates Hospital Assistants Association of Malaysia in openly declaring their scepticism and apprehensions towards the corporatisation and privatisation of government healthcare.The issues of concern are:- The lack of information regarding the operational details of the intended corporatisations The lack of information regarding a parallel National Healthcare Financing Scheme that the government had promised would accompany the corporatisation of government hospitals, which would safeguard the continuing access to healthcare for poorer patients. The sharp increase in operational costs (4 to 5 times) following the privatisation of hospital support services in 1996 (laundry, hospital equipment and facilities maintenance, cleaning services, and clinical waste disposal) Increasing charges to patients at government healthcare facilities (instances of patients being asked to purchase their own medical supplies such as surgical plates and screws before treatment can proceed). http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12181 Key services in state-run general hospitals such as maintenance, catering, procurement and supply of medicines have already been privatised. The result: expenditure on these services has soared...''Overall, there is a tendency to shift the financial burden to the workers.'' He said this was done either by shifting the tax burden or by making them pay for services once provided by the state. The privatisation of healthcare in many countries has proved to be detrimental to the welfare of the ordinary people.
Question:So why introduce it here?
Answer: To let the govt save billions of ringgit annually!
http://www.pcdom.org.my/pubinfo/discforum/nview38
The MMA, representing 80% of medical doctors in the country, has now joined the Malayan Nurses’ Union (representing government service nurses) and the Estates Hospital Assistants Association of Malaysia in openly declaring their scepticism and apprehensions towards the corporatisation and privatisation of government healthcare.The issues of concern are:-

The lack of information regarding the operational details of the intended corporatisations

The lack of information regarding a parallel National Healthcare Financing Scheme that the government had promised would accompany the corporatisation of government hospitals, which would safeguard the continuing access to healthcare for poorer patients.

The sharp increase in operational costs (4 to 5 times) following the privatisation of hospital support services in 1996 (laundry, hospital equipment and facilities maintenance, cleaning services, and clinical waste disposal)

Increasing charges to patients at government healthcare facilities (instances of patients being asked to purchase their own medical supplies such as surgical plates and screws before treatment can proceed).

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12181
Key services in state-run general hospitals such as maintenance, catering, procurement and supply of medicines have already been privatised. The result: expenditure on these services has soared…”Overall, there is a tendency to shift the financial burden to the workers.” He said this was done either by shifting the tax burden or by making them pay for services once provided by the state.

]]> By: manutd79 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-42994 manutd79 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:44:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-42994 NHS is deplorable. For a simple visit to the GP, you need to make an appointment and can only see the doctor, hopefully, say in one week's time if you're lucky. Most of the time you will be better off treating yourself rather than suffer during the waiting period. The only other alternative is to queue up at the Accident & Emergency of hospitals, only if your condition is bad enough. NHS is deplorable. For a simple visit to the GP, you need to make an appointment and can only see the doctor, hopefully, say in one week’s time if you’re lucky. Most of the time you will be better off treating yourself rather than suffer during the waiting period. The only other alternative is to queue up at the Accident & Emergency of hospitals, only if your condition is bad enough.

]]> By: madmix http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-42979 madmix Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:19:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-42979 When UMNO runs out of projects to give out, they will start to think of new ways of milking the rakyat. Privatisation of healthcare is one possibility. When UMNO runs out of projects to give out, they will start to think of new ways of milking the rakyat. Privatisation of healthcare is one possibility.

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/comment-page-1/#comment-42956 sotong Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:19:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/08/02/should-malaysias-rm11-billion-health-service-be-privatized/#comment-42956 Don't leave this very important national issue to politicians! The many failures of past privatisation are a strong reminder to all ordinary people. The country is developing with inefficient and ineffective administration, let alone rampant corruption and abuse of power. How could any privatisation benefits the poor and ordinary people who depends on public facilities for their survival? Don’t leave this very important national issue to politicians!

The many failures of past privatisation are a strong reminder to all ordinary people.

The country is developing with inefficient and ineffective administration, let alone rampant corruption and abuse of power.

How could any privatisation benefits the poor and ordinary people who depends on public facilities for their survival?

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