you are the idiot in the highest degree. yes i will thump my chest when i see a fool like u as i really feel like kicking you to mars. unfortunately you talk as if you know so much and act like you know what is going to happen.

people like you are a disgrace to every malaysian in malaysia and around the world, yes, we know your vote will go to dacing and yes, when dacing is down suddenly a magical box from our soldiers and police serving in dont know which kampong will then come in and all the votes go to your dacing.

real world, again as i say, you are a freaking disgrace to be called a malaysian. there is no point talking and exchanging facts or meeting of minds.

go fly a kite real world. thats what you age group and people of your mentality do, dont they?

Enough la of your sabre rattling and chest thumping because I think you are overdoing it. I suggest you keep your emotional outburst in check.

Me serving my own race only??? You have any proof of that??

You know, it is unbelieveable how blind you can be.

You are really into making assumptions, arent you. Well, if it turns you on, I can only say good for you and keep going at it. I am sure an idiot wont mind looking more like a gimp as well.

Cyber trooper??? hahaha You must be watching too many cartoons. Try Sesame Street, it is more educational.

“Firstly, I surmise Jeff’s entry into DAP politics is unconditional.” NDANGERED HORNBILL.

Unless u are him, how exactly are you to be sure of this other than to say “u guess”.

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My apologies, I misinterpreted surmise as “summarise”.

Your comment is highly contradictory,

“Firstly, I surmise Jeff’s entry into DAP politics is unconditional.” NDANGERED HORNBILL.

Unless u are him, how exactly are you to be sure of this other than to say “u guess”.

“Have you met him and seen how nice and balanced a person he is? It’s different close-up oftentimes.” NDANGERED HORNBILL.

Thirdly, whether or not Jeff would be a winnable candidate in the GE cannot be decided by ‘Myke’ or ‘Real World’, whoever you are and whatever yr credibility (which is, of course, unknown, like all other posters here; so you can quite easily be scandalous yourself, judging from yr proclivities). NDANGERED HORNBILL.

One moment you indicated that one needs to know a person in person before one can judge and the next moment you adjudge “Myke and “Real world” can easily be quite scandolous.

Your judgement base on just one comment is adequote in this case?
Is this hippocratic in nature?

I’m not here to play god telling uncle Kit who’s bad or good.
I’m here to say my experience with this man.

In the mean time, my opinion states if one wants to be a public figure he should have tot of his/her misdeeds being exposed, and if so own-up to what he/she has done.

Isn’t this a mature politician you are looking for but not able to find in the BN..?

Don’t fall into the very people you fight.

First of all, I think – as a mater of fact – detractors here are not looking at a “slightly abrasive personality and the iron-fisted management of a blog…” but I don’t think this is an issue it is right or fair for us to discuss or argue in an open blog here….

The other point about “the majority don’t believe that the Opposition is credible” is another debatable point. It is not that DAP is not credible but considerations of race and religion weigh decisively for the majority.

I understand the frustration of having what to you is a ‘den of thieves’ ensconced in a position to continue the pillage.

Again what is the DAP prepared to trade and compromise to have a chance to evict the incumbent?

There are too many factors that are unpredictable when it detaches from the anchor of principles and navigate according to politics of pragmatism and expedience….

To name a few:

1. many traditional supporters who don’t share your priorities might withdraw support for the DAP as happened in general election before the last one….
2. And even if the DAP joins a PAS led Barisan Alternative, there is no certainty that the BA will win (since the other side does not play fair) but in the process the DAP may lose its credibility to collaborate with PAS whose raison de etre is to set up an Islamic theocracy that makes whatever DAP advocates on a secular state hollow!
3. and even BA should win, again, the other side that does not play fair may not abide by rules to hand over the government since too much vested and financial interests are at stake;
4. also for the DAP to prioritize expedience and pragmatism over principles, there is no certainty that the 2nd echelon leaders together with the rest of the other opposition will not do what the BN is doing now if one believes that corruption is very much part of prevailing culture…..I don’t know if Undergrad2 is joking or serious but I do think that once we discard principles for pragmatic compass we “would be crossing from the politics of pragmatism to the politics of the unknown” which may be worse, – but that’s just by own value judgment;
5. I see strange bedfellows (a lesbian with a heterosexual or even another male homosexual getting into bed together) for common convenience and cause to defeat an enemy as just not right (just like Dap believing in secular state with Pas believing in a theocratic one). Remember, the Allies/Stalin Soviet immediately launched into a geopolitical contestation of territories and a Cold War dividing Europe to East and West the moment Hitler was defeated?

As to whether the situation is hopeless and requires, as you said, an ‘implosion’ when oil runs out or other cataclysmic events galvanising a sea-change of opposition against the ruling coalition, I think much of these discussions will necessarily be “speculative”, better left to another forum than the present one thread in diminution of the Kit’s bandwidth here.

Thanks very much for the exchange of views.

DAP and PAS would make strange bedfellows. Yes! If that is allowed to go forward into a civil marriage of parties with the same sexual orientation, while it may not produce children, the attempt itself may attract the wrath of God for PAS.

As to why BN has remained in power all these 50 years, the answer is simple – the majority don’t believe that the Opposition is credible. The majority think that we should have an opposition voice – hence the barking dogs – but nothing more. They won’t take the risk of overturning BN and we must appreciate why. Is there a viable alternative front ? Is each opposition party looking out for its narrow self-interests ? Is there a shadow cabinet that can put the existing cabinet to shame ?

I hope you’re not suggesting that if today they were to put Uncle Kit into jail for no good reason, we Malaysians are not going to object with voices stentorian and go to the streets to stand up for him and protest his incarceration.

“…//… Mr Lim Kit Siang fight for justice and fairness for all Malaysians. Ask Uncle Kit. Has justice and fairness ever being accorded to him all these years in politic?…//…”

This is something only YB can answer.

But I think at least for now he is really Ok. Who for no good reason want to or dare to trifle with him? Woe betides such a person. Kit is by now an icon lah with a special place in the hearts of many and respect of even some of the more matured of his political adversaries in BN. Don’t believe you ask him. Even his old ‘adversary’ TDM had time to see whilst in hospital where the PM failed. He is also emplaced in various parliamentary select committees and invited in some government sponsored programs or trips befitting of his role as Opposition Head.

For those who don’t make self enrichment the main goal in life and who view a purposeful life to be measured against achievements and accomplishments in one’s calling – in his case politics – what more can one ask if one has the gratitude, respect and affection of all around whom he has touched their lives, fought their cause with great sacrifice in earlier years? It is a satisfaction that those who have not walked the path cannot possibly emphatise fully. That’s also a kind of reward. We all wish YB good health and happiness and I think – I also like to think – it is not all “blood sweat and tears” (to borrow Churchill’s expression), as bad as the way you have interpreted Eugene V. Debs. That’s just my opinion only.

Cheers. :)

Exactly, therefore those who stepped up like the case of Jeff Ooi and those before him in DAP has to ask themselves again and again, is it worth it? You volunteered to be sacrifice, not you asking for the reward as the reward are for selfish Malaysians whom might not even vote for you, where is justice and fairness in the first place? Like I said, if you are looking for justice and fairness for yourself and find yourself in DAP. I am sorry, wrong place, and please leave.

“Who would fight for your rights if when the situation turns from push to shove you don’t stand up for theirs and it is only one way street?” Jeffrey

Mr Lim Kit Siang fight for justice and fairness for all Malaysians. Ask Uncle Kit. Has justice and fairness ever being accorded to him all these years in politic? Again I quote Uncle Kit: “politics is an honourable calling demanding conviction, passion, selflessness and sacrifice”, he didn’t mention justice and fairness did he? As for the quote from Eugene V. Debs, it is the reflection of all of it.

If it were that easy how is it the incumbent BN has not been voted out by the same process described in this last 50 years? Why are the BN guys like this – talking about women’s menstrual cycle in parliament etc – if it is not because it is an issue of them putting up candidates of questionable pedigree, which if I get the drfift correct, it is no big deal as long as they are prepared to fight the other side hated???

So the DAP becomes the eternal barking dog and the BN thieves still walk all the way to the bank.

We can’t beat our chests and say “without the DAP, it could have been worse”. The country is bleeding and some of us think that maybe we should let them accelerate the theft of public funds until there is nothing left to steal. That’s when UMNO – and by extension the other component parties – implode because the very essence of their existence (which is to steal) disappears.

Are we so immature that we think that problems caused by the ousting of BN could possibly last another 50 years ? Are we so immature to think that we will not walk the talk, and put up candidates of questionable pedigree ?

The first step for you guys is to accept that DAP can’t do it alone and if you can’t accept that, then you deserve to get more of the same for the next 50 years.