Welcome Jeff Ooi to DAP – let it be a catalyst for more bloggers to take political stand


Welcome Jeff Ooi to DAP

Welcome, Jeff Ooi, Malaysia’s pre-eminent blogger to DAP and Malaysian politics!

Jeff has created waves in the Malaysian blogosphere. We await a tsunami from him in the political arena.

Jeff’s statement of the reasons for joining the DAP is an eloquent expression of patriotism of a Malaysian, illustrating that patriotism is an integral part of all Malaysians and not the monopoly only of those who hold office or high positions. This makes the 50th Merdeka anniversary particularly significant.

Recently, one political upstart said:

“It is the law of the jungle and we need to take action against one ‘monkey’.

“I think the other ‘monkeys’ will also get scared.

“They are not above the law.”

This upstart was referring to Malaysian blogs. Apart from his loyal following, he will not find much agreement from bloggers.

It is regrettable to see the use of such derogatory language and the debasement in the standard of public discourse.

Many however will agree if his description is applied to public and political life, especially with regard to corruption, crime and public accountability and transparency where the rule of law appears to have been replaced by the law of the jungle.

There will also be considerable agreement as to the identity of such “monkeys” in the law of the jungle of public life and politics.

But will any action be taken against one “monkey” so that the other “monkeys” will also get scared and the country can begin to see the restoration of integrity, efficiency and effectiveness in public and political life?

I do not want to use the “monkey” language but this will be one of the challenges of Jeff Ooi, together with others in the political arena, to fight back the creeping law of the jungle and to restore the rule of law in Malaysian political and public life.

It has been said that Jeff Ooi’s decision to join the Opposition is a loss to blogging.

It should not be so. It should be a gain to both politics and blogging in Malaysia, enriching both.

I will like to see more politicians taking up blogging and more bloggers entering politics.

After all, blogging particularly socio-political blogging is not an end by itself but a means to an end and a time must come when bloggers must decide whether they should “dirty their hands” and make the transition from advocacy of their political ideals in cyberspace to enter the political terrain to be able to directly translate their ideals into action.

There is the perception that politics is dirty. It it is not politics that is dirty.. Politics is an honourable calling demanding conviction, passion, selflessness and sacrifice. If politics is regarded as dirty, it is the politicians who make politics dirty. Let bloggers get directly involved in politics to cleanse and rid it of “dirty”, unscrupulous and unprincipled politicians!

This welcoming party for Jeff Ooi to is significant both for Malaysian blogging and Malaysian politics.

It coincides with the 50th Merdeka anniversary celebrations which should be a milestone to assess both our achievements and failures in five decades of nation-building so as to chart the nation’s course for the coming decades. It also takes place in the midst of a “war on blogs” declared by the powers-that-be, demonstrating that the those in power have not come to terms with the influence and implications of the new media.

We are at the end of the fourth year of the Abdullah premiership which had received the unprecedented mandate of 91% of parliamentary seats in the 2004 general election. There is now a full-blown crisis of confidence over the lack of political will of the Prime Minister to honour his reform pledges and agenda to lead a clean, incorruptible, efficient, accountable, trustworthy and democratic administration which is highly competitive to face the challenges of globalisation with world-class institutions like world-class civil service, world-class police, world-class universities, world-class judiciary, world-class Parliament, etc staffed by towering Malaysians.

But we have yet to make a real start in this direction while in many instances, we have regressed and gone backwards.

We, including bloggers, have to pick up the pieces. I call on more bloggers to emulate Jeff Ooi to make the 50th Merdeka anniversary a catalyst for a political commitment to create an united, progressive, democratic and just Malaysia where all Malaysians are proud of the country and can walk tall in the world.

I look forward to see Jeff Ooi and other bloggers taking their places in the next Parliament and State Assemblies to create a better Malaysia for ourselves, our children and our children’s children.

(Speech at the “Jeff Ooi’s Welcoming Party” as member of DAP in Petaling Jaya on Tuesday, 31st July 2007 at 11 am)

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  1. #1 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:15 am

    Hornbill,

    I don’t know of any other way to put this but if the DAP is to be true to its principles and its objective of ending race-based politics then it should not field people like Jeff Ooi who has yet to earn his stripes in direct contests only with MCA candidates. I think he should be made to stand against not just MCA, Gerakan candidates but against UMNO candidates in Malay majority constituencies to test the support he has or claims to have.

    Two reasons. 1) Such a move would placate demands by party conservatives and loyalists who have devoted their whole lives to fighting for the party and who are now being bypassed 2) the baptism of fire that he would be made to go through would be just and fair to all.

  2. #2 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:18 am

    He should be thrown to the deep end of the pool. See if he can swim. What better way to test someone who claims to be an Olympic swimmer?

  3. #3 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:21 am

    “OKT should contest in Ipoh Timur if he has ‘brass balls’, to borrow Jeffrey’s terminology made famous by Undergrad2.” HORNBILL

    Now that is a strange way of testing someone who has brass balls. He’ll sink! No doubt about it.

  4. #4 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:28 am

    Oops, I forgot the relative density of brass is more than water. So you are right, OKT will sink in the next GE with or without Jeff Ooi’s help!

    Now the saying goes, ‘Brass is thicker than water’!

  5. #5 by sotong on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:41 am

    Proper support must be there….get someone to hold it while he swims!

  6. #6 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:08 am

    What about the party conservatives and loyalist? They have performed poorly as far as we can see, what has they done and where is DAP today? The results speaks for itself. No doubt DAP has capable leaders but the party certainly needs more of it, Jeff Ooi is one of them. If you are a DAP member and you have been there for decades and you think you deserves something because you have been loyal, it is time to join UMNO or MCA.

  7. #7 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:15 am

    If a coup is coming just because Jeff Ooi is on board DAP then let it be, I certainly welcome it and I want to see if there are any capable leaders and if they can do a better job than Jeff Ooi, fire at will. Please!

  8. #8 by Kingkong on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 12:03 pm

    It is a good thing to see Jeff Ooi has taken one step forward by taking action in addition to talking. This is a progress, and we should be happy for him and for all of us. I do find Jeff Ooi pretty abrasive at times in commenting our comments, but it is just a debate and we should take it easy, as one hand alone does not make the clap.

    A person can grow (Or develop), and Jeff Ooi is still young and has plenty of time to learn and grow and DAP is good enough to give him a space. This is good news to everyone who is advocating an alternate government.

    Don’t pass a conclusion to a person too quickly before the plank of the coffin is nailed. There is also no perfect person like a saint. In life, we are learning all the time before we close our eyes for ultimate peace.

  9. #9 by sheriff singh on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 12:47 pm

    Jeff Ooi vs Lee Hwa Beng in Subang Jaya? Hmmmm.

  10. #10 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:08 pm

    sonicwall Says:

    July 31st, 2007 at 23: 33.05
    Kit

    Please consider recruiting RockyBru to join DAP since He has already taken his stand: “I will walk with Jeff”.
    ……………………………………………………………………….

    Yes! Get him!

  11. #11 by k1980 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:09 pm

    //There is also no perfect person like a saint//— Caramba, you mean the hundreds of saints canonized by the popes throughout history are frauds? Mama mia!

  12. #12 by RealWorld on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:34 pm

    “Jeff Ooi vs Lee Hwa Beng in Subang Jaya? Hmmmm.” – sheriff singh

    It wont even be a decent fight at all. LHB will win hands down.

  13. #13 by RealWorld on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:43 pm

    Dear bystander,

    UMNO apologist?? What is there to apologise for in the first place?? You need to get your head straight on this first. We are not appointed, we are voted by the rakyat. If you are frustrated in not being able to make it in Msia, dont take the easy way out and blame others. Look at yourself first. I find it especially odd when you comment that we have unresolved issues in religion, speech and etc. Are you in any way hindered or prohibited in practising the religion of your choice??? You seemed to be an unhappy chap. You dislike the system, the government, Jeff Ooi not stroking your ego correctly etc etc.

    Do yourself a favour, stop the whingeing and maybe you will see the positive side of life.

  14. #14 by democrate on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:43 pm

    ‘It is good to see some young professionals joining DAP, but I feel the party needs to have a more multi racial field. ‘
    Realworld ;
    A multi racial party must first to recognise that we r all Malaysians other wise i should consider BN is only a multi racist party like sleeping on the same bed having a different dream.

  15. #15 by RealWorld on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 1:55 pm

    democrate,

    If you are fighting for Msian Malaysia, then your party should have a multi racial mix or else like you say it is a ‘multi racist party’. :)

  16. #16 by democrate on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 2:11 pm

    Realworld
    not really, Malaysian should be fighting for the Malaysian that is the way we should live on after 50 yrs of staying together right ? A multi racist will apply only to those people like MCA UMNO and others BN members serving only to a particular race !
    hahaha. r u a MALAYSIAN ?

  17. #17 by myke on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 2:44 pm

    I do not trust this guy, he is more into his own agenda than to fight for righteuosness.

    Like the others who has things to say about this guy, this guy does not care what is right but more concerned about self preservation.

    My encounter with this man shocked me, he does not care about right or wrong, and does not care to make amend to his mistake and barred me from exposing it. I still have all the records with me.

    I guess he thinks he has authority to hide things like this in his blog.

    Uncle Lim, I respect DAP. Hope he is not what he was.

  18. #18 by Kingkong on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 2:51 pm

    Dear K1980,

    In short, I meant no one was perfect. There is nothing to do with the popes, saints or frauds. It is just a way to say it metaphorically.

  19. #19 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 3:14 pm

    “My encounter with this man shocked me, he does not care about right or wrong, and does not care to make amend to his mistake and barred me from exposing it. I still have all the records with me.” Myke

    Set the records straight if you really respect DAP. Publish it!

  20. #20 by democrate on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 3:46 pm

    real world,
    U r a Malaysian right ? why only serve your own race? why only fight for your own race in the expense of others? HA….HA….HA. 50Yrs in a family but still dare not claimed yourself as a true Malaysian Why? Why? cos u r a racist M I RIGHT!

  21. #21 by Godfather on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 4:07 pm

    For every ringgit that UMNO steals from the rakyat, it gives 10 sen to people like Real World who knows how to sing the UMNO tune. The other 90 sen goes into the pockets of the UMNOputras at the top. It’s called multi-level marketing.

  22. #22 by Godfather on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 5:22 pm

    RealWorld is probably some highly paid civil servant with nothing to do, so he dutifully goes to “work”, and comments on blogs between 9.30 a.m. and 4.30 p.m.

    Or maybe he is one who has been nominated by Norza and Azalina as a cyber patrol squadron leader.

  23. #23 by shiver on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 7:01 pm

    hey real world,
    what are you doing here babbling about this and that? how come i dont see you giving your so-pro govt comments on malaysia-today? why here? and whatever you say doesnt really help anyone but at the end just creates a lot of hot air.
    why i say hot air? because all you do is talk rubbish. hello, this is uncle kits website i.e. DAP i.e. opposition. If you want your voice heard loud and clear, may i ask you go to kmpu.net or agenda daily. im sure you would have heaps of supporters.
    and i dont believe that LHW will win hands down in subang. i know him personally and he is a nice man but jeff ooi is something else. im sure there will be a good contest there. you are like an ignorant donkey that cant see the forest for the trees.
    by the way, real world, im not far away, i have my rights and i will say what i damn please. you been talking a lot of damn stupid things and i for one has had enough with your crap antiques.
    i will now use UMNO’s mentality on you. YOU TAK SUKA YOU KELUAR DARI LIM KIT SIANG BLOG!
    when your RM2750 gaji coming from azalina eh?

  24. #24 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 8:00 pm

    “If a coup is coming just because Jeff Ooi is on board DAP then let it be…..” dawsheng

    The following is an observation by a writer often quoted by Malaysia-Today in reference to Jeff Ooi being given the red carpet welcome by some DAP leaders.

    “The ruling party has the luxury of rewarding ’selection-jilted’ party faithful’s with choice appointments, while our opposition leaders can only offer consoling words, which may sometimes be not enough. And internal sabotaging would occur, which if not remedied well could see the disintegration fo a party – oh, any party in mind as an example fo this?”

  25. #25 by myke on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 8:42 pm

    dawsheng Says:

    August 1st, 2007 at 15: 14.18
    “My encounter with this man shocked me, he does not care about right or wrong, and does not care to make amend to his mistake and barred me from exposing it. I still have all the records with me.” Myke

    Set the records straight if you really respect DAP. Publish it!

    —————————————————————-
    My permission from Uncle Lim first.

    May I.?

    [dear myke, if I may, let us move on. To err is human, to forgive divine. We have many important battles in front of us. Let us all learn from the past to better face the future.- kit]

  26. #26 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 9:38 pm

    Myke, before you set the record straight with what the public might not know, let us just dwell for a moment what is on record that the public do know.

    What is on public record is firstly what YB articulated in earlier blog thread, which I take it to be also the DAP’s position, that ours is a “secular state with Islam as the official religion and not an Islamic state” and this is based on the Merdeka social contract and Malaysia Agreement.

    Now it is very strange to me that if we are a secular state why was it so wrong and offensive for the NST to publish a cartoon of a busker, apparently drawing on something, with a board next to him depicting that he was caricaturing the prophet, and the busker “Kevin” being described as achieving the goal of the most feared man in the world…?

    No one would have taken notice or complained about this cartoon until it was brought to the public realm by Screenshots with these words (and I quote):

    “Screenshots was alerted to look at a comic strip published in a national English tabloid today.
    The readers asked me whether the cartoon is tantamount to mocking Prophet Mohammad? They also asked me, by carrying the derogatory comic at a time when the global controversy over the offensive caricature of Prophet Mohammad is about to ease off, whether it serves anybody any purpose? The tabloid that runs the above comic strip commands a sizeable reach as it has an audited circulation of 135,000 copies per day, making the cartoon extensively exposed since this morning. Why did the editors, including the Commander-in-Chief in the newsroom, decide to run the bad-taste comic today? Was there a hidden message from these seasoned mainstream journalists? To quote a minister, are there petualang and agen asing in our mainstream media? This is the full comic strip which apparently brings the Prophet to the profane, street-level. The national English tabloid in question is none other than The New Straits Times” (Unquote).
    See this link : http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/02/post_6.php

    Is the attack on the cartoon for whatever reason consistent in principle with the DAP’s position that this is a secular state?

    Can someone enlighten me?

  27. #27 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 9:53 pm

    On another blog, KTemoc has this to say about the red carpet welcome given to Jeff Ooi:

    “n the coming election the DAP has picked hi profile Jeff. Whether this would create resentment within DAP remains to be seen.”

  28. #28 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 10:05 pm

    “If you are a DAP member and you have been there for decades and you think you deserves something because you have been loyal, it is time to join UMNO or MCA.” dawsheng

    I’m sure you know there is such a thing called ‘justice’ and ‘fairness’. In the case of Jeff Ooi being given a red carpet welcome as no other has, becoming the blue-eyed of certain leaders within the party and coming so soon after he saw it fit to give Gerakan the middle finger, one can legitimately ask “What’s next?”

    Loyalty and seniority should be rewarded. Don’t you think so??

  29. #29 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:04 pm

    If you want to shoot somebody like Jeff Ooi down, you do not ask may I?

  30. #30 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:22 pm

    No I think Myke is displaying basic courtesy. He considers it discourteous and ungraceful to introduce hitherto unknown (likely unsavoury) information on a person touted to be probably the biggest catch in living memory’ for DAP, whom the DAP has recruited to contest the coming polls, in this very blog and thread of a welcoming speech for that person.

  31. #31 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:24 pm

    “Loyalty and seniority should be rewarded. Don’t you think so??”

    Not forgetting that there is always a price to pay for everything that one gained, one way or another. Is there absolute loyalty in politics? I don’t think so. And seniority doesn’t guarantee one win the election. Both can be liabilties as far as politic is concern. Justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness, it is for Malaysians.

  32. #32 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:32 pm

    “..//…Justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness, it is for Malaysians…//..”

    Can we Malaysians reasonably expect entitlement to justice and fairness when we don’t think it important to give justice and fairness to the very people who fight for justice and fairness for us?

  33. #33 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 1 August 2007 - 11:58 pm

    Myke certainly has his way of displaying basic courtesy. It is like saying to someone [deleted] What a way to respect.

  34. #34 by dawsheng on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 12:12 am

    “Can we Malaysians reasonably expect entitlement to justice and fairness when we don’t think it important to give justice and fairness to the very people who fight for justice and fairness for us?” Jeffrey

    What comes around goes around! That’s why I am not surprise with what Malaysia is today, you reap what you sow. As Uncle Kit put it; “politics is an honourable calling demanding conviction, passion, selflessness and sacrifice”, even when everyone loves to hate you.

  35. #35 by myke on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 12:33 am

    dear myke, if I may, let us move on. To err is human, to forgive divine. We have many important battles in front of us. Let us all learn from the past to better face the future.- kit

    ————————————————————-

    Many important battles in front of us indeed. Some will come from external and some will be within.

    THe battle is not only to fight to keep others in the right but the battle is also to keep us from swaying to the dark side.

    As i said to a person before who denied me the right to express my view;

    Good luck in your quest for righteousness.

  36. #36 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 3:07 am

    “Let us all learn from the past to better face the future.”

    Yes, it is back to the future!

  37. #37 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 6:52 am

    “Let us all learn from the past to better face the future.”
    This is good advice but is it ever followed? Country is already fifty years old, are the nation’s keepers – the ruling coalition – learning from past and is the country getting better?

    In the past, the country was premised by its leaders on a secular state that gave as much as possible within parameters of the Merdeka Social Contract every Malaysian a place in the sun but what is it today? Increasingly the narrow and parochial minded are monopolizing and dictating what may be said and what not said. The past (what happened in May 13) is denied or given a distorted interpretation.

    Is there any learning from mistakes of the past? Yes – repeat or aggravation of past mistakes, like using the old threats of sedition (disparaging Religion and King) against cyber dissident like RPK in this new millennium of Information Technology when new interface paradigms have already long replaced the limited interface devices and methods controlled by the draconian laws like Sedition Act, Printing Press Publication Act etc….

    Whether nations or individuals, it will still boil down to character, a function of the gene pool interacting with the way character was formed in formative years and quality of guidance, whether good or bad and the net quality of that person/nation. Once twisted and gnarled in the formative years, the mellower years, even with the benefit of greater experience, will not help change that person or nation much better or increase the capacity to learn from the past to better face the future.

    Talking about people or nation with complexes, is it easy to rid the complexes? What is learnt from backlash of the past is often not so much to rid the complexes but to camouflage them and express them in other ways unknown so as to not invite backlash from others.

    Which is why there’s old saying a leopard does not lose its spots!

  38. #38 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 8:21 am

    ““Let us all learn from the past to better face the future.”

    With due respect to Kit, I feel the above is too limiting and rather pessimistic. We need to move with gusto and confidence for the future. A more gutsy reaction is needed and so perhaps, “Let us learn from the past so that the course the future takes is in our grasp, and rather than be influenced by the future, the future is ours to influence.”

  39. #39 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 8:24 am

    “Justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness, it is for Malaysians.”

    Huh?

  40. #40 by Godfather on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 9:49 am

    Jeffrey:

    There are other bigger catches out there, not just Jeff Ooi. It’s a question of whether some of us feel comfortable about the sacrifices that need to be made under the DAP umbrella.

    Whatever the misgivings of the readers posted here, the fact is that Jeff Ooi is going against the corrupt, cheating and lying BN government. That, to me, is good enough for my support.

  41. #41 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 10:54 am

    Why is everybody getting so worked up over Jeff Ooi’s entry into politics?

    Firstly, I surmise Jeff’s entry into DAP politics is unconditional. Is there anything to say otherwise?

    Secondly, whether or not Jeff’s portrait ever gets to see the light on an election banner is not Jeff’s prerogative, remember? It is the decision of DAP’s ruling hierarchy based on a set of their own criteria, not BN’s, Azalina’s cyber-troopers, Myke’s or Realworld’s.

    Thirdly, whether or not Jeff would be a winnable candidate in the GE cannot be decided by ‘Myke’ or ‘Real World’, whoever you are and whatever yr credibility (which is, of course, unknown, like all other posters here; so you can quite easily be scandalous yourself, judging from yr proclivities). Finally, the constituents will decide based on a product mix of what Jeff can offer on a DAP platform. There will always be detractors and supporters; no different here.

    Fourthly, I’ve sworn at more than a couple of people myself, privately though. That doesn’t make me a ‘bad’ guy. They probably deserve it. Perhaps, ‘Myke’ and a couple of others on the receiving end may have been given the short end of the stick but that happens in real life. I have collected so many short ends myself but that doesn’t make me a chronic skeptic or doomsayer. What makes me a chronic skeptic and doomsayer is having trusted the BN for 50 years and going by available records, we have all been given the raw end of the butt! How long have you known Jeff? Have you met him and seen how nice and balanced a person he is? It’s different close-up oftentimes. But I can tell you I have had many close-up encounters with BN leaders…well, you can also say that my experience isn’t generally reflective of everybody’s experience; sure, but suffice to say that I would neither trust them with my mother’s purse or my virgin sisters!

    Fifthly, I can go on…but this is one of those pursuits after vanity and a chasing after the wind. Besides, I think I’ve already used up more than a fair bit of LKS’s bandwidth. Suffice to say again, that I think on the balance of things, Jeff Ooi is a welcome addition to the DAP family (of which I am but a mere observer; I try very hard to keep my objective lenses on and am vaccinated against any jaundiced views because I have mixed and melted in the same pot with BN’s crowd, in particular, UMNO’s stalwarts too). If I may say so, my vision is 20/20. I am neither myopic nor hyperopic!

  42. #42 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 11:41 am

    Godfather,

    Your argument here – and the prevailing sentiments of many here – seem to be that for so long that the ruling coalition is the “the enemy”, then anyone, as long as he is able bodied, could flex a muscle or two and willing to fold up his sleeves and fight the common enemy, he is therefore acceptable as a friend, never mind other considerations or standards, never mind to look further into motives and other consistencies or inconsistencies or future consequences – all fade into unimportance, for the moment at least. Right?

    I agree that this is a common human tendency. History bears many examples of this approach. The allies collaborated with Stalin to fight Hitler’s Nazis hegemony; when the Japanese attacked the British here too collaborated with the Communists etc

  43. #43 by Godfather on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 12:32 pm

    Which is why I don’t see PAS as that much of a problem under an opposition coalition. Ideologically, we could be far apart on the political spectrum, but we must be united in the quest to oust the den of thieves.

  44. #44 by Godfather on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 12:57 pm

    However, there is a big element within the DAP that says that it is absolutely forbidden to have a coalition with PAS. If this element gets too influential, then it’s curtains for our efforts to get rid of the den of thieves.

  45. #45 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 1:27 pm

    Personally I don’t subscribe to this argument at all of ‘the enemy of my enemy is therefore a workable friend’, and don’t recommend it to others. It is not a principled approach but an expedient, some say pragmatic, one that targets on the immediate problem for solution that may beget largher and more problems to come, and sometimes even leads to absurd and incongruous results….For example it would mean that if for whatever reason Samy Vellu were to (hypothetically) be endorsed to join DAP and contest by DAP ticket in (say) Puchong/Kinrara, everyone here who called him “semi value” will have to rejoice and celebrate and give him a big welcome in this blog; it means that we have to put up with the prospective Islamic theocracy of PAS just because it is a trade off to rid the moribund corrupt ruling coalition from the scene….No I don’t think that is the right approach. If it were so what is there to welcome – what’s the big deal? Any Tom Dick and Harry – never mind the merits or demerits between them or that one is inveterate liar or the other a womaniser or whatever – who join to fight to BN will be welcomed. This is ‘bandaraya’ recruitment – no need for discussion.

  46. #46 by dawsheng on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 1:59 pm

    undergrad2 Says:

    August 2nd, 2007 at 08: 24.36
    “Justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness, it is for Malaysians.”

    Huh?
    ………………………………………………………………………………

    Quote:

    Now my friends, I am opposed to the system of society in which we live today, not because I lack the natural equipment to do for myself, but because I am not satisfied to make myself comfortable knowing that there are thousands of my fellow men who suffer for the barest necessities of life. We were taught under the old ethic that man’s business on this earth was to look out for himself. That was the ethic of the jungle; the ethic of the wild beast. Take care of yourself, no matter what may become of your fellow man. Thousands of years ago the question was asked: “Am I my brother’s keeper?” That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society.

    Yes, I am my brother’s keeper. I am under a moral obligation to him that is inspired, not by any maudlin sentimentality, but by the higher duty I owe to myself. What would you think of me if I were capable of seating myself at a table and gorging myself with food and saw about me the children of my fellow beings starving to death?

    Eugene V. Debs The Issue, speech delivered at Girard, Kansas May 23, 1908 [2]

  47. #47 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 2:54 pm

    All the above quote says is that we should not follow the “ethic of the wild beast” to be selfish but to be morally obligated to take care of others as if we were “brother’s keeper”. This means it is Ok for those few to be our brother’s keeper and fight for justice and fairness for us Malaysians. It does not imply justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness for us…..If that were so, we (who are beneficiaries of other’s fight) are also following the “ethic of the wild beast” – selfish.

    We should equally be concerned that those who fight for justice and fairness for us (ie Malaysians), equally receive justice and fairness – if not more.

    Who would fight for your rights if when the situation turns from push to shove you don’t stand up for theirs and it is only one way street?

    Of course if you’re capable of seating yourself at a table and gorging yourself with food and saw about you the children of your fellow beings starving to death you should share your food but how do you feel when the next day all the children are gorging the food and you have none and they don’t spare any for you?

    This is how the statement “justice and fairness are not for those who fight for justice and fairness, it is for Malaysians” sounds though you probably don’t mean the way it sounded to us.

  48. #48 by sotong on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 3:10 pm

    We must give our support to those who seek the truth!

  49. #49 by Godfather on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 3:48 pm

    Semi Value joining DAP ? This is like saying the sun sets in the east. If you all want to take a “principled” approach, then all you get is maybe 15 – 20 parliamentary seats and you continue to piss into the wind for an eternity.

  50. #50 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 2 August 2007 - 4:07 pm

    And I always thought that the traditional support for DAP has always been based on the fact that it (led by YB Kit) had taken the principled approach beyond all else. See what happened the last time the principled approach was relaxed for the expedience of joining up with PAS led Barsian Alternative : the traditional support moved away with our Opposition being PAS’ Hadi. You may say ‘piss into the wind’ for an eternity but you’re forgetting that situation in the country might be very much worse – than what it is now – had DAP not played the role of the barking dog so to speak to rake up into the public domain the abuse of power. The moment you place expedience more important than the principle you lose your moral compass and drift to unchartered waters.

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