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		<title>By: rajanjohn</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41789</link>
		<dc:creator>rajanjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet Adalah HARAM di kalang masyarakat MALAYSIA..
Wawasan 2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet Adalah HARAM di kalang masyarakat MALAYSIA..<br />
Wawasan 2008!</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41781</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s are many big leakages in UMNO, someone inside is clearly not happy with how the party elders are conducting themselves. Instead of scaring bloggers and netizens, the should work hard to pacth all the holes. UMNo&#039;s enemies is from within, do you know what that means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s are many big leakages in UMNO, someone inside is clearly not happy with how the party elders are conducting themselves. Instead of scaring bloggers and netizens, the should work hard to pacth all the holes. UMNo&#8217;s enemies is from within, do you know what that means?</p>
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		<title>By: shaolin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41772</link>
		<dc:creator>shaolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the BIG MONKEYs are messing around our Bloggers?
Are the UMNOs fear and afraid of bloggers telling the
TRUTH to the Whole World?

Bloggers Must continue to dig out More &#039;Dirts&#039; being swept
under the carpets!!!

Do it Without FEAR and PREJUDICE!! Tell the Whole the TRUTH,
Nothing But The Truth!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the BIG MONKEYs are messing around our Bloggers?<br />
Are the UMNOs fear and afraid of bloggers telling the<br />
TRUTH to the Whole World?</p>
<p>Bloggers Must continue to dig out More &#8216;Dirts&#8217; being swept<br />
under the carpets!!!</p>
<p>Do it Without FEAR and PREJUDICE!! Tell the Whole the TRUTH,<br />
Nothing But The Truth!!!</p>
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		<title>By: sotong</title>
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		<dc:creator>sotong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under what law can they get RPK for this? - Jeffery.

They will make it up as they go to suit their objectives and circumtances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under what law can they get RPK for this? &#8211; Jeffery.</p>
<p>They will make it up as they go to suit their objectives and circumtances.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41746</link>
		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, ha. Only the government is Malaysian!

Non-Sanctioned Celebrations Will Not Be Allowed On Merdeka Eve

KUALA LUMPUR, July 25 (Bernama) -- The Culture, Arts and Heritage Ministry will not allow any celebrations which conflict with the special Merdeka (Independence) eve programme scheduled at Dataran Merdeka before midnight on Aug 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, ha. Only the government is Malaysian!</p>
<p>Non-Sanctioned Celebrations Will Not Be Allowed On Merdeka Eve</p>
<p>KUALA LUMPUR, July 25 (Bernama) &#8212; The Culture, Arts and Heritage Ministry will not allow any celebrations which conflict with the special Merdeka (Independence) eve programme scheduled at Dataran Merdeka before midnight on Aug 30.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinapek</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41743</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinapek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blogger issue for the BN Govt. is like the Chinese saying  &quot;to have your private parts caught in between the bed planks (olden days we use individual planks on beds for sleeping). Move sakit. Don&#039;t move, also sakit&quot;

All said and done, it is a move of desperation. With the GE coming, they are afraid of more revelations  by Malaysia Today. More so when they cannot refute them. But they fail to realise that their desperate  acts of repression only serves to raise more suspicions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogger issue for the BN Govt. is like the Chinese saying  &#8220;to have your private parts caught in between the bed planks (olden days we use individual planks on beds for sleeping). Move sakit. Don&#8217;t move, also sakit&#8221;</p>
<p>All said and done, it is a move of desperation. With the GE coming, they are afraid of more revelations  by Malaysia Today. More so when they cannot refute them. But they fail to realise that their desperate  acts of repression only serves to raise more suspicions.</p>
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		<title>By: KL Dude</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41742</link>
		<dc:creator>KL Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jeffrey,

You seem to have enlighthened everyone in depth. Hope your comments will not stir the hornet&#039;s nest... he he. 

Thanks anyway friend for your well written comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jeffrey,</p>
<p>You seem to have enlighthened everyone in depth. Hope your comments will not stir the hornet&#8217;s nest&#8230; he he. </p>
<p>Thanks anyway friend for your well written comments.</p>
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		<title>By: AsIseeit</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41741</link>
		<dc:creator>AsIseeit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, what the govt is doing is counter-productive to what they are intending to do; that is, garner votes for the next GE. 

Many people do not now believe in what is written in the mainline media. They turn to alternative news. It is important for alternative news to always be credible and rational in what they say so that they can be an effective hearing or rather reading by people.

In view of what UMNO is trying to do to RPK and Malaysia Today, it is important to set up a comprehensive blog that can direct anyone to all the alternative news that are responsible and credible. 

Further, if one person can inform ten other persons of such alternative news/websites it will certainly help to make for a better informed Malaysian public. However, this is not to say that I believe all that is written in the alternative blogs either, as everyone has a different agenda of their own. 

Blogging must go on! There must be free speech even though I may disagree with the views expressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, what the govt is doing is counter-productive to what they are intending to do; that is, garner votes for the next GE. </p>
<p>Many people do not now believe in what is written in the mainline media. They turn to alternative news. It is important for alternative news to always be credible and rational in what they say so that they can be an effective hearing or rather reading by people.</p>
<p>In view of what UMNO is trying to do to RPK and Malaysia Today, it is important to set up a comprehensive blog that can direct anyone to all the alternative news that are responsible and credible. </p>
<p>Further, if one person can inform ten other persons of such alternative news/websites it will certainly help to make for a better informed Malaysian public. However, this is not to say that I believe all that is written in the alternative blogs either, as everyone has a different agenda of their own. </p>
<p>Blogging must go on! There must be free speech even though I may disagree with the views expressed.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41740</link>
		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey says: 
&quot;In modern criminal law one is punished only for what one has personally done based on principle of responsibility, and not what others have done. Only in olden times under the laws of barbarians the son had to be beheaded for the sins of his father!&quot;

Just a wee bit of correction here. They can so draft any new law to incorporate elements of strict liability which may mean one can be responsible (even vicariously) for things done outside one&#039;s ambit of control.

I think the difficulty posed to the prosecutorial authorities must be that the host server is overseas. So where is the offence committed? Malaysians who post comments on CNN, BBC, NYTimes, Washington Post etc., even if seditious etc. can&#039;t possibly be hauled up under any Malaysian law. Their audience and viewership is international. So, if my argument holds water, RPK&#039;s blog could get off the leash just like it was CNN etc. The &#039;offence&#039; against Malaysian laws &#039;occured&#039; in USA or Europe or whatever... And the posters may well be foreigners too...and you can&#039;t even bait those monkeys let alone drag them to our courts. But, of course, if RPK cooperates with the authorities and spills the IPs, then Malaysians who posted those incriminatory comments may suffer. That, God forbids, is most unlikely. RPK is too much of a Prince of INtegrity rather than a princeling of INjustice.

That much said, it behooves all posters to be careful not to overstep the boundaries of what&#039;s fair and proper comment and to avoid anything inflammatory, sacrilegious, racist or regicidal.

I must take a parting shot at Nazri&#039;s unwarranted and vehement outburst. One cannot help but pity his uncontrolled mouthful (which is typically NAzri. Remember his &#039;racist! racist! racist! outburst in parliament and his infamous &#039;bodoh! bodoh! bodoh! outcry? Wonder who is racist and who is &#039;bodoh&#039;, his law degree notwithstanding!). So, NAzri, taking RPK&#039;s blog for instance, just tell us precisely what is wrong with his exposes or forever hold your peace. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey says:<br />
&#8220;In modern criminal law one is punished only for what one has personally done based on principle of responsibility, and not what others have done. Only in olden times under the laws of barbarians the son had to be beheaded for the sins of his father!&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a wee bit of correction here. They can so draft any new law to incorporate elements of strict liability which may mean one can be responsible (even vicariously) for things done outside one&#8217;s ambit of control.</p>
<p>I think the difficulty posed to the prosecutorial authorities must be that the host server is overseas. So where is the offence committed? Malaysians who post comments on CNN, BBC, NYTimes, Washington Post etc., even if seditious etc. can&#8217;t possibly be hauled up under any Malaysian law. Their audience and viewership is international. So, if my argument holds water, RPK&#8217;s blog could get off the leash just like it was CNN etc. The &#8216;offence&#8217; against Malaysian laws &#8216;occured&#8217; in USA or Europe or whatever&#8230; And the posters may well be foreigners too&#8230;and you can&#8217;t even bait those monkeys let alone drag them to our courts. But, of course, if RPK cooperates with the authorities and spills the IPs, then Malaysians who posted those incriminatory comments may suffer. That, God forbids, is most unlikely. RPK is too much of a Prince of INtegrity rather than a princeling of INjustice.</p>
<p>That much said, it behooves all posters to be careful not to overstep the boundaries of what&#8217;s fair and proper comment and to avoid anything inflammatory, sacrilegious, racist or regicidal.</p>
<p>I must take a parting shot at Nazri&#8217;s unwarranted and vehement outburst. One cannot help but pity his uncontrolled mouthful (which is typically NAzri. Remember his &#8216;racist! racist! racist! outburst in parliament and his infamous &#8216;bodoh! bodoh! bodoh! outcry? Wonder who is racist and who is &#8216;bodoh&#8217;, his law degree notwithstanding!). So, NAzri, taking RPK&#8217;s blog for instance, just tell us precisely what is wrong with his exposes or forever hold your peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Loh33</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41739</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testing.

I can&#039;t submit comments under Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testing.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t submit comments under Loh</p>
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		<title>By: vongmichael</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41738</link>
		<dc:creator>vongmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jefrey, for those illuminating pieces of wisdom. An expose by someone courageous as RPK is welcome, because the rest of us wont get to first base if we do it. Granted that some of RPK&#039;s statements needed to be checked out, I believe, of the many that he has written about, most have proven to be true!

This is where the police comes in - to check out the claims, and arrest the wrong doers! Certainly not the messenger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jefrey, for those illuminating pieces of wisdom. An expose by someone courageous as RPK is welcome, because the rest of us wont get to first base if we do it. Granted that some of RPK&#8217;s statements needed to be checked out, I believe, of the many that he has written about, most have proven to be true!</p>
<p>This is where the police comes in &#8211; to check out the claims, and arrest the wrong doers! Certainly not the messenger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41730</link>
		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an ANIMAL FARM indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41727</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The better - and more practical way - is to tempt RPK with untold riches, UMNO&#039;s privatised contracts, get him on their side and get a mouth piece like him to stop the unrelenting pressure to expose the BN&#039;s bigwigs and instead persuade him by carrot to write more exposing those in the Opposition parties, how in spite of rhetorics for example so and so in DAp is making money or so in so in PKR is a hypocrite or so and so in PAS in the Kelantan State Govt is awarding timber and land to businessmen for monetary rewards. I am sure RPK is competent to get a few truths here and there and then extrapolate them big way to show Opposition is in same boat as those in BN except smaller scale since Opposition has not yert the hand on the levers of power to award Contracts big way!

Here again main obstacle is RPK&#039;s integrity. He may not want to play ball. 

Then again it is the tenet of principle amongst the &quot;thieves&quot; [to borrow Godfather&#039;s favourite expression] that everyone can be bought at a price. The question is as always how much. 

Some you have to pay a lot because the integrity/principle is very high up there but it still can be bought but you have to pay substantially more. Others less principled the price is cheaper.

Moral of the story - if you want to get rich fast and be bought : be a clever cyber gnat like RPK, have your sources, create alot of discomfort amongst powers to be but make sure they cannot latch unto any law to nail you but have to pay you off instead to silence you or work fior them against the Opposition by some lucrative contracts, packaged with datukship and other privileges symbolic of success in our feudal society!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The better &#8211; and more practical way &#8211; is to tempt RPK with untold riches, UMNO&#8217;s privatised contracts, get him on their side and get a mouth piece like him to stop the unrelenting pressure to expose the BN&#8217;s bigwigs and instead persuade him by carrot to write more exposing those in the Opposition parties, how in spite of rhetorics for example so and so in DAp is making money or so in so in PKR is a hypocrite or so and so in PAS in the Kelantan State Govt is awarding timber and land to businessmen for monetary rewards. I am sure RPK is competent to get a few truths here and there and then extrapolate them big way to show Opposition is in same boat as those in BN except smaller scale since Opposition has not yert the hand on the levers of power to award Contracts big way!</p>
<p>Here again main obstacle is RPK&#8217;s integrity. He may not want to play ball. </p>
<p>Then again it is the tenet of principle amongst the &#8220;thieves&#8221; [to borrow Godfather's favourite expression] that everyone can be bought at a price. The question is as always how much. </p>
<p>Some you have to pay a lot because the integrity/principle is very high up there but it still can be bought but you have to pay substantially more. Others less principled the price is cheaper.</p>
<p>Moral of the story &#8211; if you want to get rich fast and be bought : be a clever cyber gnat like RPK, have your sources, create alot of discomfort amongst powers to be but make sure they cannot latch unto any law to nail you but have to pay you off instead to silence you or work fior them against the Opposition by some lucrative contracts, packaged with datukship and other privileges symbolic of success in our feudal society!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry again typo omission in 2nd para - &quot;liberal voices in progressive jurisdictions would NOT go that far to...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry again typo omission in 2nd para &#8211; &#8220;liberal voices in progressive jurisdictions would NOT go that far to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-2/#comment-41725</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawsheng asked if enacting new laws to curb the effects of an unmoderated blog like RPKÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Malaysia Today would go against the Bill of Guarantee signed for Multimedia Super Corridor?

The guarantee is for freedom of internet and freedom of expression within but even the international community and liberal voices in progressive jurisdictions would go that far to say that Freedom here may be translated into Ã¢â‚¬Å“absoluteÃ¢â‚¬Â freedom and license to spread falsehoods and harm othersÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ reputation and careers by defaming them via the Internet.

It has always been the case that even in progressive societies the quest is not for one desirable principle of Freedom of Speech only but also the freedom to be protected from harm of being unjustifiably defamed out of malice rather than fair comment!

Hence to make new laws to seek such a Ã¢â‚¬Å“balanceÃ¢â‚¬Â of the imperatives of Freedom of Speech against the Freedom to be protected from calumny of slander, libel and defamation may not necessarily be construed as a breach of Bill of Guarantee.

Besides, the present bunch of guys up there are more interested in what feathers their present nest than the past interest of Tun Dr MahathirÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pet projects, whether MSC and Bills of Guarantee or Proton, Labuan offshore Centre, the Crooked Bridge to SÃ¢â‚¬â„¢pore etc

So I think they would try make the laws but such laws will only have deterrent value to an extent but will not have the Ã¢â‚¬Å“teethÃ¢â‚¬Â to bite ie enforced effectively.

For the Internet, Blogs, postings made under anonymity and IP data stored in overseas servers pose very unique challenge and technical obstacle to any authority whether here (as they found in RPK) or in other more progressive western jurisdictions.

Even if you have such laws there is much difficulties to get tangible admissible evidence to satisfy the demands of legal due process in courts: to go all the way is such a protracted and costly process, that it is simply not worth the while from the practical stand point!

For reasons of which the drift in progressive jurisdictions is necessarily a decreasing emphasis on enforcing usual laws on defamation/libel that awards monetary compensation to those innocently victimized by libel in blogs or prosecution by criminal law against irresponsible bloggers - not because the laws are no more important or the need to protect the innocent against spurious allegations posted on the Net is no more relevant or desired but it is because of difficulty of enforcement due to difficulty or costliness of tracing the source and procuring evidence. 

That is also why increasingly the emphasis is on the rights of response or reply by the individuals who were defamed on the very forum or even elsewhere to correct and dispel the offending allegation.

Meanwhile  there is really little one can do to the likes of RPK who knows the score and the game of how to harness and leverage on the Internet. Round One of Mike Tyson versus RPK would go to RPK because Mike Tyson does not understand the unique challenges posed by Internet and that is way using hackneyed ways like raising Islam and King being disparaged by commenters against 3rd party like RPK only serves harassment value but has no Ã¢â‚¬Å“biteÃ¢â‚¬Â in real terms of prosecuting him. 

Police understands this : that is why the interrogators wasted 8 hours trying to get the IPs of the commenters from him in vain!

Yes, the best way to silence RPK and bloggers is still resorting to the Internal Security Act as what Undergrad2 mentioned but as I said ISA is no more in vogue and fashion to deal with Cyber dissidents who are viewed by readers/public as champions to expose corruption. By no means can a cyber dissident be considered an anti national element whether Communist, Triad leaders or Jemiah Islamiya that the draconian ISA is supposed to be used against!

To crack down on likes of RPK by OSA is then like seeking to hammer a small gnat that inflicts an itch that doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t go away with a huge mallet/sledger  where the end result does not justify the means : one&#039;s image is straightaway dealt a blow from domestic civil socioeties and opposition not to mention the international furore from Amnesty International and Transparency International etc crying &quot;repression&quot; and ranking Malaysia several notches again down their scale whilst meanwhile RPK in Kamunting will have more time to read and write and doing same damage though on a greater scale unimpeded with help from his ten servers overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawsheng asked if enacting new laws to curb the effects of an unmoderated blog like RPKÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Malaysia Today would go against the Bill of Guarantee signed for Multimedia Super Corridor?</p>
<p>The guarantee is for freedom of internet and freedom of expression within but even the international community and liberal voices in progressive jurisdictions would go that far to say that Freedom here may be translated into Ã¢â‚¬Å“absoluteÃ¢â‚¬Â freedom and license to spread falsehoods and harm othersÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ reputation and careers by defaming them via the Internet.</p>
<p>It has always been the case that even in progressive societies the quest is not for one desirable principle of Freedom of Speech only but also the freedom to be protected from harm of being unjustifiably defamed out of malice rather than fair comment!</p>
<p>Hence to make new laws to seek such a Ã¢â‚¬Å“balanceÃ¢â‚¬Â of the imperatives of Freedom of Speech against the Freedom to be protected from calumny of slander, libel and defamation may not necessarily be construed as a breach of Bill of Guarantee.</p>
<p>Besides, the present bunch of guys up there are more interested in what feathers their present nest than the past interest of Tun Dr MahathirÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pet projects, whether MSC and Bills of Guarantee or Proton, Labuan offshore Centre, the Crooked Bridge to SÃ¢â‚¬â„¢pore etc</p>
<p>So I think they would try make the laws but such laws will only have deterrent value to an extent but will not have the Ã¢â‚¬Å“teethÃ¢â‚¬Â to bite ie enforced effectively.</p>
<p>For the Internet, Blogs, postings made under anonymity and IP data stored in overseas servers pose very unique challenge and technical obstacle to any authority whether here (as they found in RPK) or in other more progressive western jurisdictions.</p>
<p>Even if you have such laws there is much difficulties to get tangible admissible evidence to satisfy the demands of legal due process in courts: to go all the way is such a protracted and costly process, that it is simply not worth the while from the practical stand point!</p>
<p>For reasons of which the drift in progressive jurisdictions is necessarily a decreasing emphasis on enforcing usual laws on defamation/libel that awards monetary compensation to those innocently victimized by libel in blogs or prosecution by criminal law against irresponsible bloggers &#8211; not because the laws are no more important or the need to protect the innocent against spurious allegations posted on the Net is no more relevant or desired but it is because of difficulty of enforcement due to difficulty or costliness of tracing the source and procuring evidence. </p>
<p>That is also why increasingly the emphasis is on the rights of response or reply by the individuals who were defamed on the very forum or even elsewhere to correct and dispel the offending allegation.</p>
<p>Meanwhile  there is really little one can do to the likes of RPK who knows the score and the game of how to harness and leverage on the Internet. Round One of Mike Tyson versus RPK would go to RPK because Mike Tyson does not understand the unique challenges posed by Internet and that is way using hackneyed ways like raising Islam and King being disparaged by commenters against 3rd party like RPK only serves harassment value but has no Ã¢â‚¬Å“biteÃ¢â‚¬Â in real terms of prosecuting him. </p>
<p>Police understands this : that is why the interrogators wasted 8 hours trying to get the IPs of the commenters from him in vain!</p>
<p>Yes, the best way to silence RPK and bloggers is still resorting to the Internal Security Act as what Undergrad2 mentioned but as I said ISA is no more in vogue and fashion to deal with Cyber dissidents who are viewed by readers/public as champions to expose corruption. By no means can a cyber dissident be considered an anti national element whether Communist, Triad leaders or Jemiah Islamiya that the draconian ISA is supposed to be used against!</p>
<p>To crack down on likes of RPK by OSA is then like seeking to hammer a small gnat that inflicts an itch that doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t go away with a huge mallet/sledger  where the end result does not justify the means : one&#8217;s image is straightaway dealt a blow from domestic civil socioeties and opposition not to mention the international furore from Amnesty International and Transparency International etc crying &#8220;repression&#8221; and ranking Malaysia several notches again down their scale whilst meanwhile RPK in Kamunting will have more time to read and write and doing same damage though on a greater scale unimpeded with help from his ten servers overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-41723</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be such an international outcry if they detain RPK or any other blogger under the ISA.  In fact it will spell the end of the free trade talks with the USA.  

Even thieves need face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be such an international outcry if they detain RPK or any other blogger under the ISA.  In fact it will spell the end of the free trade talks with the USA.  </p>
<p>Even thieves need face.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-41683</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they really want Petra, all they  need do is detain him under the ISA. No charge. No counsel. No trial. Just the Minister of Internal Affairs issuing a letter. No judicial review.

It is obvious that they want to make him  an example to other bloggers. Maybe test some of their new laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they really want Petra, all they  need do is detain him under the ISA. No charge. No counsel. No trial. Just the Minister of Internal Affairs issuing a letter. No judicial review.</p>
<p>It is obvious that they want to make him  an example to other bloggers. Maybe test some of their new laws.</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/25/malaysian-parliament-now-the-worlds-no-1-anti-bloggers-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-41640</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They now have to scurry back to the drawing board of the Attorney GeneralÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s office to draft a new law to address this specific problem of a blog owner escaping punishment for what offensive remarks his readers posted that blog owner disd not moderate or delete!&quot; Jeffrey

Will this go against the Bill of Guarantee that the internet shall not be censored to curb freedom of speech and expression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They now have to scurry back to the drawing board of the Attorney GeneralÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s office to draft a new law to address this specific problem of a blog owner escaping punishment for what offensive remarks his readers posted that blog owner disd not moderate or delete!&#8221; Jeffrey</p>
<p>Will this go against the Bill of Guarantee that the internet shall not be censored to curb freedom of speech and expression?</p>
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		<title>By: takazawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>takazawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dream of one day that I can walk out to the streets with sheer confidence and rob, rape and kill someone with no worries. No one ever told me so but I was indeed made to believe that I can get off the hook easily because the authority has publicly declared that their main priority is to go after and detain the person who reports my killing, and not me.

MPs who claim to be the representatives of the Rakyat can afford to say controversial things in Parliament. All they have to do is to retract their statements and declared it as &quot;personal views&quot; or rather it should be treated as mere &quot;humour&quot; and they would be let off the hook.

Bloggers who are well perceived to be the people who voice out their personal opinions and sentiments over the net can now be DETAINED under some barbaric law such as the ISA/OSA, as their comments can influence and represent public opinion so that the majority of the people would know who to vote for in the next GE.

So should we now pledge and launch an official request to PM to sack all the ass licking dirtbags in Parliament and replace them with more influential bloggers?

Hoi, Encik Dollah! Kau masih tidur dan mimpi ke? Atau masih dalam bulan madu?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dream of one day that I can walk out to the streets with sheer confidence and rob, rape and kill someone with no worries. No one ever told me so but I was indeed made to believe that I can get off the hook easily because the authority has publicly declared that their main priority is to go after and detain the person who reports my killing, and not me.</p>
<p>MPs who claim to be the representatives of the Rakyat can afford to say controversial things in Parliament. All they have to do is to retract their statements and declared it as &#8220;personal views&#8221; or rather it should be treated as mere &#8220;humour&#8221; and they would be let off the hook.</p>
<p>Bloggers who are well perceived to be the people who voice out their personal opinions and sentiments over the net can now be DETAINED under some barbaric law such as the ISA/OSA, as their comments can influence and represent public opinion so that the majority of the people would know who to vote for in the next GE.</p>
<p>So should we now pledge and launch an official request to PM to sack all the ass licking dirtbags in Parliament and replace them with more influential bloggers?</p>
<p>Hoi, Encik Dollah! Kau masih tidur dan mimpi ke? Atau masih dalam bulan madu?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for typo omission in capitals somewhere in middle - should be &quot;And he would NOT disclose their IP&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for typo omission in capitals somewhere in middle &#8211; should be &#8220;And he would NOT disclose their IP&#8221;</p>
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