Comments on: Axe finally coming down in Malaysian cyberspace – after Raja Petra, who’s next? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-42342 AhPek Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:19:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-42342 True Aussie, You are right by saying that there are too much whinnings over cyberspace and only partially right that the voters have not got the guts to vote uot the present governing party,BN.The concept of parlimentary democracy really is a borrowed one from the British colonial master.It is not part of the value system in an Asian or more precise Malaysian environment.Debate whereby competing ideas fight for ascendency is never its tradition. On top of this the government of the day has over the 50 years of continuous rule not only devised various instruments to gag the public especially during the 22years of Mahathir administration but also did a lot of gerrymandering to ensure the unbroken rule of UMNO in this racially divided nation for you see the political parties here are mostly formed along racial lines. Of course the governing BN party will retort that BN is a coalition of the main racial parties but then the truth of the matter is that they are not a coalition of equal partnership.There is only one over-powering domineering party in BN,UMNO.The third method to ensure continuity is to dispense goodies during election time. Without an independent judiciary,without a free press,financial power or access to financial sources and with a very small enlightened populace (who are probably also netizens), the chances of the opposition parties are indeed slim.Besides the opposition parties are also not able to form a united opposition!!! So you see, true aussie, the situation in Bodohland is very much unlike that of Aussieland.You have to thank your star that in Australia there is always this government-in-waiting ready to take over should the current powers that be make a slip.Not so in this Bodohland.The only guarantee to good governance and protection of citizen rights is the government in waiting.The original form of parlimentary democracy has now descended into something one can call dictatorship. True Aussie,
You are right by saying that there are too much whinnings over cyberspace and only partially right that the voters have not got the guts to vote uot the present governing party,BN.The concept of parlimentary democracy really is a borrowed one from the British colonial master.It is not part of the value system in an Asian or more precise Malaysian environment.Debate whereby competing ideas fight for ascendency is never its tradition.
On top of this the government of the day has over the 50 years of continuous rule not only devised various instruments to gag the public especially during the 22years of Mahathir administration but also did a lot of gerrymandering to ensure the unbroken rule of UMNO in this racially divided nation for you see the political parties here are mostly formed along racial lines. Of course the governing BN party will retort that BN is a coalition of the main racial parties but then the truth of the matter is that they are not a coalition of equal partnership.There is only one over-powering domineering party in BN,UMNO.The third method to ensure continuity is to dispense goodies during election time.
Without an independent judiciary,without a free press,financial power or access to financial sources and with a very small enlightened populace (who are probably also netizens), the chances of the opposition parties are indeed slim.Besides the opposition parties are also not able to form a united opposition!!!
So you see, true aussie, the situation in Bodohland is very much unlike that of Aussieland.You have to thank your star that in Australia there is always this government-in-waiting ready to take over should the current powers that be make a slip.Not so in this Bodohland.The only guarantee to good governance and protection of citizen rights is the government in waiting.The original form of parlimentary democracy has now descended into something one can call dictatorship.

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41748 sotong Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:54:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41748 There are a few true and great Indians.........India's ex-PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee is one of them. There are a few true and great Indians………India’s ex-PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee is one of them.

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41744 sotong Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:49:13 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41744 There are a few true and great Burmese........Aung San Suu Ky is one of them. There are a few true and great Burmese……..Aung San Suu Ky is one of them.

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41722 sotong Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:59:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41722 Bobster, You will be considered a racist, for political purposes, to be charged under the discriminative and baised laws, if you say something truthful and reasonable the politicians do not like to hear. No reasonable person with basic common sense would conclude my remark is racist. If I am a racist, blind and baised non Malay, why should I acknowlege RPK, a Malay, as a " true and great " man. There are very few" true and great " Chinese........Mr. Lim is one of them. Bobster,

You will be considered a racist, for political purposes, to be charged under the discriminative and baised laws, if you say something truthful and reasonable the politicians do not like to hear.

No reasonable person with basic common sense would conclude my remark is racist. If I am a racist, blind and baised non Malay, why should I acknowlege RPK, a Malay, as a ” true and great ” man.

There are very few” true and great ” Chinese……..Mr. Lim is one of them.

]]> By: goldenhub http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41603 goldenhub Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:45:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41603 Dear RealWorld, I didn't think sotong's remark was racist at all. That is why I didn't even bothered about it. But looks like it has got you all hot and bothered. Well, taking from your lead I decided to research a few things from the internet and what sotong said could be substituted with any of these: "Hannity speaks of “great Americans.” OK. There are really very few “great” Americans — maybe a handful like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and F.D.R" from http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/06/28/americans-arent-just-republicans/ " Below you will find just a few great Africans who represent a long line of intelligent, resourceful, courageous and beautiful people--" from http://www.ebonyminds.com/heroes.htm "There has been few great Chinese leaders for a very long time" from http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?s=27add146d781f49a498e8405201febf9&showtopic=956&st=15&p=4720656&#entry4720656 Now by your undoubtedly high and esteemed standards, all these people who said things similar to sotong are racists? Yeah right. Wake up to the real world RealWorld, pun intended. Only a racist would have seen those statements including sotong's as racist. Don't worry, it's no shame admitting being a racist. Consider it your first step towards enlightenment or whatever that suits your world. Now can we stop this petty discussion and get back to the real topic? Dear RealWorld, I didn’t think sotong’s remark was racist at all. That is why I didn’t even bothered about it. But looks like it has got you all hot and bothered. Well, taking from your lead I decided to research a few things from the internet and what sotong said could be substituted with any of these:

“Hannity speaks of “great Americans.” OK. There are really very few “great” Americans — maybe a handful like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and F.D.R” from http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/06/28/americans-arent-just-republicans/

” Below you will find just a few great Africans who represent a long line of intelligent, resourceful, courageous and beautiful people–”
from http://www.ebonyminds.com/heroes.htm

“There has been few great Chinese leaders for a very long time” from http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?s=27add146d781f49a498e8405201febf9&showtopic=956&st=15&p=4720656&#entry4720656

Now by your undoubtedly high and esteemed standards, all these people who said things similar to sotong are racists? Yeah right. Wake up to the real world RealWorld, pun intended. Only a racist would have seen those statements including sotong’s as racist. Don’t worry, it’s no shame admitting being a racist. Consider it your first step towards enlightenment or whatever that suits your world.

Now can we stop this petty discussion and get back to the real topic?

]]> By: Bobster http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41441 Bobster Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:22:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41441 RealWorld, You are wrong! Please read thru the line carefully. Where did I support sotong racist remark?! Every sane individual irrespective of race in this country know the TRUTH ie the system and government in this country need MAJOR SHAKE UP. Just go thru list of unsolved issues highlighted in the Parliament and letters written to the authorities and AAB in particular with No Reply/I Dont Know! There are more than a million civil servants in this country. Just need to assign a group to follow up on the each issue raised, you can easily solve at least half the complaints and consider a good achievement for the gomen. What did AAB do? Balls in his court and he is sleeping on it and let the opponents score the GOALS?! Exactly like Malaysia soccer team. How to compete with international players? No respect for this kind of leaders, many in the BN unfortunately! RealWorld,

You are wrong! Please read thru the line carefully. Where did I support sotong racist remark?!

Every sane individual irrespective of race in this country know the TRUTH ie the system and government in this country need MAJOR SHAKE UP. Just go thru list of unsolved issues highlighted in the Parliament and letters written to the authorities and AAB in particular with No Reply/I Dont Know! There are more than a million civil servants in this country. Just need to assign a group to follow up on the each issue raised, you can easily solve at least half the complaints and consider a good achievement for the gomen. What did AAB do? Balls in his court and he is sleeping on it and let the opponents score the GOALS?! Exactly like Malaysia soccer team. How to compete with international players? No respect for this kind of leaders, many in the BN unfortunately!

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41377 sotong Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:08:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41377 Dear RealWorld, For a person to call another a racist, that person must be a racist too. So the country will not be better of with racists like you and me - if we are racists. Dear RealWorld,

For a person to call another a racist, that person must be a racist too.

So the country will not be better of with racists like you and me – if we are racists.

]]> By: RealWorld http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41363 RealWorld Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:28:40 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41363 Dear sotong, You can divert all the shortcomings to the system and government but your racist remarks showed your true self. What leadership, accountability and competency you are rambling on about here!!? Will the country be better off with racists like you running it with backminded racist policies and thinking??? Dear sotong,

You can divert all the shortcomings to the system and government but your racist remarks showed your true self.

What leadership, accountability and competency you are rambling on about here!!? Will the country be better off with racists like you running it with backminded racist policies and thinking???

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41280 sotong Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:27:01 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41280 The system and the government are not convenient scapegoat. It's all about leadership with responsibility, accountability and competency. This is grossly lacking in our country. The buck stops with the leader/government. The system and the government are not convenient scapegoat.

It’s all about leadership with responsibility, accountability and competency. This is grossly lacking in our country.

The buck stops with the leader/government.

]]> By: bennylohstocks http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41235 bennylohstocks Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:05:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41235 This page is he didn't like.. http://malaysiancartoons.blogspot.com/2007/07/malaysia-today-police-report.html This page is he didn’t like..
http://malaysiancartoons.blogspot.com/2007/07/malaysia-today-police-report.html

]]> By: RealWorld http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41225 RealWorld Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:50:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41225 Dear Bobster, I can see you conveniently ignored sotong's racist remarks. And you are talking about sunglasses and etc! Dude, I think in your case it is not the sunglasses, you are just plain biased, period. Dont talk about equality or democracy when you, yourself dont even have the moral principle to address sotong's racist remarks. How to have vision 2020 when there are blind racist like you and sotong around? Dear Bobster,

I can see you conveniently ignored sotong’s racist remarks. And you are talking about sunglasses and etc! Dude, I think in your case it is not the sunglasses, you are just plain biased, period.

Dont talk about equality or democracy when you, yourself dont even have the moral principle to address sotong’s racist remarks.

How to have vision 2020 when there are blind racist like you and sotong around?

]]> By: a true aussie now http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41223 a true aussie now Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:55:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41223 Use people's power to topper the facist regime. anyone?? So much whingings going on in cyberspace, but this facist regime is still being voted into power again comes next election. You guys just don't have the gust to throw them out of the office! :-( Use people’s power to topper the facist regime. anyone??
So much whingings going on in cyberspace, but this facist regime is still being voted into power again comes next election.
You guys just don’t have the gust to throw them out of the office! :-(

]]> By: Bobster http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41208 Bobster Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:11:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41208 Blame the system and government as they are the convenient scapegoat - RealWorld Are you so blind that cant even see the light. Please take out your sunglasses and open your eyes. Screwed up gomen system happen daily under the sun since 50 yrs ago. Unfortunately things getting worst nowadays. Country blessed with all kind of the natural resources, we should be on par and even better than Singapore aft 50 yrs independent. Unfortunately lately our cabinet ministers/UNMO started using 3rd world countries like Vietnam/Indonesia/Cambodia as yardstick against our country. Do you know our gomen now going reverse gear my friend. Vision 2020 kena postpone to Vision 2057 under AAB slumbership. Blame the system and government as they are the convenient scapegoat – RealWorld

Are you so blind that cant even see the light. Please take out your sunglasses and open your eyes. Screwed up gomen system happen daily under the sun since 50 yrs ago. Unfortunately things getting worst nowadays. Country blessed with all kind of the natural resources, we should be on par and even better than Singapore aft 50 yrs independent. Unfortunately lately our cabinet ministers/UNMO started using 3rd world countries like Vietnam/Indonesia/Cambodia as yardstick against our country. Do you know our gomen now going reverse gear my friend.

Vision 2020 kena postpone to Vision 2057 under AAB slumbership.

]]> By: RealWorld http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41205 RealWorld Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:39:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41205 It does when one is preaching for equal rights/opportunities/democracy etc. Walking the talk... you know ..... but anyway blame the system and government as they are the convenient scapegoat It does when one is preaching for equal rights/opportunities/democracy etc.
Walking the talk… you know
….. but anyway blame the system and government as they are the convenient scapegoat

]]> By: sotong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41183 sotong Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:44:06 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41183 There are many true Malays, Indians, Europeans or Chinese. But there are very few people who are both " true and great ". Does it matter if one is racist in an environment that promotes and encourages racism? There are many true Malays, Indians, Europeans or Chinese.

But there are very few people who are both ” true and great “.

Does it matter if one is racist in an environment that promotes and encourages racism?

]]> By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41175 ENDANGERED HORNBILL Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:25:00 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41175 Malaysia is famously infamous, Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/07/24/1185043094060.html "Malaysia denies crackdown on bloggers" July 24, 2007 - 2:50PM "Malaysia's deputy prime minister denied the government is clamping down on bloggers after a prominent ruling party politician lodged a police report against a website, reports said Tuesday." Malaysia is famously infamous, Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/07/24/1185043094060.html

“Malaysia denies crackdown on bloggers”
July 24, 2007 – 2:50PM

“Malaysia’s deputy prime minister denied the government is clamping down on bloggers after a prominent ruling party politician lodged a police report against a website, reports said Tuesday.”

]]> By: RealWorld http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41172 RealWorld Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:15:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41172 "Heck, any one of us can become PM." - Godfather Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and go for it then!! “Heck, any one of us can become PM.” – Godfather

Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and go for it then!!

]]> By: RealWorld http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41171 RealWorld Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:14:24 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41171 "How many true and great Malays are there in the world? There are also a few true and great Chinese, Indian, Europeans and etc. in the world" - sotong Dear sotong, I can see you are trying to twist your statement now but dude, you cant hide from your racist remarks. I still hold you to your earlier statement 'There are very few true and great Malays…..he is one of them' ... and as expected no one in this blog dare to take you to task for your racist remarks. So much for Malaysian Malaysia, democracy, equal rights etc etc etc. “How many true and great Malays are there in the world?
There are also a few true and great Chinese, Indian, Europeans and etc. in the world” – sotong

Dear sotong,

I can see you are trying to twist your statement now but dude, you cant hide from your racist remarks. I still hold you to your earlier statement ‘There are very few true and great Malays…..he is one of them’ … and as expected no one in this blog dare to take you to task for your racist remarks. So much for Malaysian Malaysia, democracy, equal rights etc etc etc.

]]> By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41167 ENDANGERED HORNBILL Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:12:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41167 I have read "See you in hell Muhamad son of Muhamad" on Malaysia-today.net. All I can say is I can recognise a devil when I see one. So it's got to be 'See you in hell Muhamad son of Muhamad". Amen. I have read “See you in hell Muhamad son of Muhamad” on Malaysia-today.net.

All I can say is I can recognise a devil when I see one. So it’s got to be ‘See you in hell Muhamad son of Muhamad”. Amen.

]]> By: mendela http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/comment-page-2/#comment-41136 mendela Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:44:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/23/axe-finally-coming-down-in-malaysian-cyberspace-after-raja-petra-whos-next/#comment-41136 Pls forward the below to all your friends and relatives. A real great read! http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php?itemid=6714 Pls forward the below to all your friends and relatives. A real great read!

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php?itemid=6714

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