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		<title>By: paix</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-2/#comment-37584</link>
		<dc:creator>paix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess what showed up in Reuters&#039; news wire:
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The above showed up in Yahoo&#039;s Odd News. Now the international community knows the competentcy and professionalism of the health &quot;professionals&quot; in Bodohland. Any foreign tourist who is stupid to want to visit will pray that they don&#039;t get sick and have to be warded in one of the local govt hospitals.

Bodohland, you are the laughingstock of the world! hehehehehe :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess what showed up in Reuters&#8217; news wire:<br />
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<p>The above showed up in Yahoo&#8217;s Odd News. Now the international community knows the competentcy and professionalism of the health &#8220;professionals&#8221; in Bodohland. Any foreign tourist who is stupid to want to visit will pray that they don&#8217;t get sick and have to be warded in one of the local govt hospitals.</p>
<p>Bodohland, you are the laughingstock of the world! hehehehehe :-)</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who can do some simple research on the NEt can also keep themselves informed on medicine or treatments proposed by a doctor or specialist.

My wife saw a specialist with a womb problem and the quick remedy was , &quot;You already have 4 children, do not want any more and so I suggest your womb be removed.&quot; 

That was more than 10 years ago. That suggestion prompted some serious research and my wife did go for treatment but without the removal of her womb.

So patients if the treatment is very drastic,do seek a second opinion or do some research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who can do some simple research on the NEt can also keep themselves informed on medicine or treatments proposed by a doctor or specialist.</p>
<p>My wife saw a specialist with a womb problem and the quick remedy was , &#8220;You already have 4 children, do not want any more and so I suggest your womb be removed.&#8221; </p>
<p>That was more than 10 years ago. That suggestion prompted some serious research and my wife did go for treatment but without the removal of her womb.</p>
<p>So patients if the treatment is very drastic,do seek a second opinion or do some research.</p>
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		<title>By: shaolin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-2/#comment-36642</link>
		<dc:creator>shaolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 02:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government MUST produce Doctors with QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY
as emphasized in NEP!! This unhealthy phenomenon is seen in Every
Field of Professions!! 
                                                                                         So it is NOTHING NEW and be AMAZED when
SOMEONE die in Sudden Death, Illness - UNKNOWN!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government MUST produce Doctors with QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY<br />
as emphasized in NEP!! This unhealthy phenomenon is seen in Every<br />
Field of Professions!!<br />
                                                                                         So it is NOTHING NEW and be AMAZED when<br />
SOMEONE die in Sudden Death, Illness &#8211; UNKNOWN!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36349</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingkong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English is an important and advantaged tool in the pursuit of knowledge. But it does not mean that people who use their mother tongue only cannot make good doctors. If that is not true, then how do you explain there are good doctors who do not speak English or very little English at all in Japan, Korea, China or Russia?

It is the attitude in the pursuit of knowledge, finding the truth, and getting correct method of working that counts.

The road to the training of a doctor is very long; six year medical school, a couple of years in houseman ship, and another five six years for specialization plus many tests and examinations to determine success and failure. One needs a lot of perseverance and love for the subject. It is not easy to produce a qualified doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English is an important and advantaged tool in the pursuit of knowledge. But it does not mean that people who use their mother tongue only cannot make good doctors. If that is not true, then how do you explain there are good doctors who do not speak English or very little English at all in Japan, Korea, China or Russia?</p>
<p>It is the attitude in the pursuit of knowledge, finding the truth, and getting correct method of working that counts.</p>
<p>The road to the training of a doctor is very long; six year medical school, a couple of years in houseman ship, and another five six years for specialization plus many tests and examinations to determine success and failure. One needs a lot of perseverance and love for the subject. It is not easy to produce a qualified doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: dental gp</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36171</link>
		<dc:creator>dental gp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are much that can be done to improve the govt. healthcare service. but the main topic is not about the flaws of the service, it&#039;s the the little information that the retired teacher had got himself from the internet.

google could not replace medical school. period.

Parkinson&#039;s disease would just be a differential diagnosis, prior to referral to a specialist or senior consultant.

without clinical examination and evidence which could only a trained medical practitioner provide, how would google determine it is not PD?

the point is, if you are unsure dear teacher, ask the good young doctor.


mr. shortie kiasu, after 50 years you still have prejudice. i&#039;ve seen lots of chinese and indians as well who do not speak English or even Malay (sorry, bahasa Malaysia). poor you.

it is not about race, religion and what not.

the root cause is the attitude of all.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are much that can be done to improve the govt. healthcare service. but the main topic is not about the flaws of the service, it&#8217;s the the little information that the retired teacher had got himself from the internet.</p>
<p>google could not replace medical school. period.</p>
<p>Parkinson&#8217;s disease would just be a differential diagnosis, prior to referral to a specialist or senior consultant.</p>
<p>without clinical examination and evidence which could only a trained medical practitioner provide, how would google determine it is not PD?</p>
<p>the point is, if you are unsure dear teacher, ask the good young doctor.</p>
<p>mr. shortie kiasu, after 50 years you still have prejudice. i&#8217;ve seen lots of chinese and indians as well who do not speak English or even Malay (sorry, bahasa Malaysia). poor you.</p>
<p>it is not about race, religion and what not.</p>
<p>the root cause is the attitude of all.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Diagnosis For The Savvy? &#124; Dr. Nazli Haffiz Online</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36161</link>
		<dc:creator>Diagnosis For The Savvy? &#124; Dr. Nazli Haffiz Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlighted by the LKS&#8217; blog and MMR, the original author of the letter to NST and LKS himself played doctor to diagnose the 80 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highlighted by the LKS&#8217; blog and MMR, the original author of the letter to NST and LKS himself played doctor to diagnose the 80 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36125</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the result of umpteen years of attempts and policies created by the Malays dominated government to create more Malay medical doctors, who do not even speak English, in the country. The Malays did not realize that one day they themselves will be treated by their half-baked and half-cooked medical doctors in their government hospitals. They will have to face the consequence of their selfish and short-sightedness policies just because they want to put incompetent students into medical schools. No place for the bright and intelligent, because these bright sparks are going to cause the medical standards to rise too high to level that those mediocre Malay students cannot reach and will all flop in their medical course.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the result of umpteen years of attempts and policies created by the Malays dominated government to create more Malay medical doctors, who do not even speak English, in the country. The Malays did not realize that one day they themselves will be treated by their half-baked and half-cooked medical doctors in their government hospitals. They will have to face the consequence of their selfish and short-sightedness policies just because they want to put incompetent students into medical schools. No place for the bright and intelligent, because these bright sparks are going to cause the medical standards to rise too high to level that those mediocre Malay students cannot reach and will all flop in their medical course.</p>
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		<title>By: paix</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36074</link>
		<dc:creator>paix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A doctor can bury his mistakes but an architect can only advise his client to plant vines - Frank Lloyd Wright</description>
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		<title>By: ashen lady</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36045</link>
		<dc:creator>ashen lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Folks, i agree with mantaray&#039;s comments 100%. 

Now, its not about race, religion or which uni the doc went to. It&#039;s all about attitude. It&#039;s as simple as that. I&#039;m a doc and i agree with what  &#039;Educator&#039; said &quot; All I ask from a doctor that he/she treats me as he/she treats his/her beloved ones. Nothing more, nothing less&quot;. 
That&#039;s attitude.You may not know everything, but you must know how to be safe doctor.  

There are black sheep in EVERY profession. I know docs that i won&#039;t even trust my pets with.

Next, ppl expect doctors to be like Gods just because lives are being dealt here. Ppl should have realistic expectations. 

Lastly, a little knowledge is indeed dangerous. You cannot become a doc overnight by &#039;googling&#039; or by watching ER, House MD or that @#$% Grey&#039;s Anatomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Folks, i agree with mantaray&#8217;s comments 100%. </p>
<p>Now, its not about race, religion or which uni the doc went to. It&#8217;s all about attitude. It&#8217;s as simple as that. I&#8217;m a doc and i agree with what  &#8216;Educator&#8217; said &#8221; All I ask from a doctor that he/she treats me as he/she treats his/her beloved ones. Nothing more, nothing less&#8221;.<br />
That&#8217;s attitude.You may not know everything, but you must know how to be safe doctor.  </p>
<p>There are black sheep in EVERY profession. I know docs that i won&#8217;t even trust my pets with.</p>
<p>Next, ppl expect doctors to be like Gods just because lives are being dealt here. Ppl should have realistic expectations. </p>
<p>Lastly, a little knowledge is indeed dangerous. You cannot become a doc overnight by &#8216;googling&#8217; or by watching ER, House MD or that @#$% Grey&#8217;s Anatomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-36042</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingkong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The majority of students nowadays studying medicine simply because they want to be wealthy. Honestly speaking, how many of them are genuinely interested to save peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s lives? The world is Ã¢â‚¬Ëœno money no talkÃ¢â‚¬â„¢Ã¢â‚¬Â - justice_fighter Says

As you can see what mentioned by Dr tidaknama: With RM 2500 to 6000 a month, how rich can you be? It is incorrect to say people study medicine because of the wealth. Unless you love to care for people, seeing and being with sick people can be very demoralizing.

However, health care career is always in demand everywhere in the world, and it is easier for a young kid to secure a job easily and could move from that point. On top of that in the first world country, doctors are usually best paid people. For a doctor to be wealthy, he needs to be very good and famous. But if he is really that good, he deserves it anyway.

For those who think of wealth, it is better to do something like commerce or finance subjects.

Medicine is nowadays a technology, and the total medical system has to wok well and not just doctors alone. In our government hospitals, how often do we hear that the ambulance runs out of petrol and could not send the patient on time?  How often do we hear that the diagnosing machines broke down, out of maintenance and could not be utilized on time? Or we have the equipments but no one know how to use it? With all the equipments fixed up, doctors are not able to make decision of how to go further, the list goes on! Life and death is separated by a thin sheet of paper, and speed is very important and the total system has to cater for that.

Actually, it boils down to management again which is a pain in the arse of our bolehland and it is a team work and unfortunately doctors are the easy targets to get the blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The majority of students nowadays studying medicine simply because they want to be wealthy. Honestly speaking, how many of them are genuinely interested to save peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s lives? The world is Ã¢â‚¬Ëœno money no talkÃ¢â‚¬â„¢Ã¢â‚¬Â &#8211; justice_fighter Says</p>
<p>As you can see what mentioned by Dr tidaknama: With RM 2500 to 6000 a month, how rich can you be? It is incorrect to say people study medicine because of the wealth. Unless you love to care for people, seeing and being with sick people can be very demoralizing.</p>
<p>However, health care career is always in demand everywhere in the world, and it is easier for a young kid to secure a job easily and could move from that point. On top of that in the first world country, doctors are usually best paid people. For a doctor to be wealthy, he needs to be very good and famous. But if he is really that good, he deserves it anyway.</p>
<p>For those who think of wealth, it is better to do something like commerce or finance subjects.</p>
<p>Medicine is nowadays a technology, and the total medical system has to wok well and not just doctors alone. In our government hospitals, how often do we hear that the ambulance runs out of petrol and could not send the patient on time?  How often do we hear that the diagnosing machines broke down, out of maintenance and could not be utilized on time? Or we have the equipments but no one know how to use it? With all the equipments fixed up, doctors are not able to make decision of how to go further, the list goes on! Life and death is separated by a thin sheet of paper, and speed is very important and the total system has to cater for that.</p>
<p>Actually, it boils down to management again which is a pain in the arse of our bolehland and it is a team work and unfortunately doctors are the easy targets to get the blame.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-35828</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the first day at IMU for students, they told the audience,
&quot;If you think you can make lots of money in medicine, please forget about it!&quot;

Maybe the money is being made by the big medical groups while some ordinary doctors really have to struggle.

My daughter completed her studies in Canada and will complete her housemanship next year. Also with a very busy schedule but she likes it there.

She will start her career there next year and will get an interesting signing-up package. Most students overseas take massive loans for med school and some do struggle financially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the first day at IMU for students, they told the audience,<br />
&#8220;If you think you can make lots of money in medicine, please forget about it!&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe the money is being made by the big medical groups while some ordinary doctors really have to struggle.</p>
<p>My daughter completed her studies in Canada and will complete her housemanship next year. Also with a very busy schedule but she likes it there.</p>
<p>She will start her career there next year and will get an interesting signing-up package. Most students overseas take massive loans for med school and some do struggle financially.</p>
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		<title>By: justice_fighter</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-35823</link>
		<dc:creator>justice_fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of students nowadays studying medicine simply because they want to be wealthy. Honestly speaking, how many of them are genuinely interested to save people&#039;s lives? The world is &#039;no money no talk&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of students nowadays studying medicine simply because they want to be wealthy. Honestly speaking, how many of them are genuinely interested to save people&#8217;s lives? The world is &#8216;no money no talk&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nightman01</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/07/05/are-our-doctors-properly-trained/comment-page-1/#comment-35772</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightman01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genarally, some Doctor is good but majority of them is really screw-up. I just go thru one painful issue, whereby my wife passed away due to doctor unable detect the sick or issue. After 5 hrs admitted then only 1 of Doctor at Kepala Batas Hosipital suspected blood bung in the brain.
After confirmation by used CT scan (after 5 hrs from admitted time), they failed send my wife to Penang GH for operation purpose due to ambulan maintainance and ambulan &quot;out of pertol&quot; issue. Overall I can make conslusion, poor handling issue from Kepala Batal gov. Hospital + Doctor. My confidence level is totally ZERO to Gov Hospitals.

Details, pls go through below news (about my wife issue) from Health Ministry.


TheStar June 29th reported The Health Ministry has denied that a woman died at the Penang Hospital in October last year due to a delay in sending her to the hospital because the ambulance was out of petrol. 

The Kepala Batas Hospital had adequate facilities to treat Yusnita Abas who died from a brain aneurysm, minister Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said. 

He said based on a study, the prognosis for a patient who suffers severe bleeding due to a broken blood vessel was never good. 

Ã¢â‚¬Å“About 30% of patients will die before they arrive at the hospital,Ã¢â‚¬Â he told Lim Kit Siang (DAP - Ipoh Timur) in a written reply. 

It was reported that YusnitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s husband claimed that the hospital had taken five hours to treat her. 

Dr Chua said among the measures being taken to improve ambulance services was to introduce a new ambulance driving training module, in which 5,000 ambulance drivers will be trained. 

Note:
I am husband of above Yusnita Abas. My wife death due to provide an efficient ambulence serviceÃ¢â‚¬Â from Kepala Batas Hospital.

Based on above news, The Health Ministry has denied that my wife died at the Penang Hospital in October last year due to a delay in sending her to the hospital because the ambulance was out of petrol. So, what is actual root cause???. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s due to other issue involve with Drivers disiplince issue. We need push them to share actual root cause.
 
Help Needed from Uncle Lim Kit Siang to press them on root cause of that incident. We need to ensure it not repaet again to other people in future.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genarally, some Doctor is good but majority of them is really screw-up. I just go thru one painful issue, whereby my wife passed away due to doctor unable detect the sick or issue. After 5 hrs admitted then only 1 of Doctor at Kepala Batas Hosipital suspected blood bung in the brain.<br />
After confirmation by used CT scan (after 5 hrs from admitted time), they failed send my wife to Penang GH for operation purpose due to ambulan maintainance and ambulan &#8220;out of pertol&#8221; issue. Overall I can make conslusion, poor handling issue from Kepala Batal gov. Hospital + Doctor. My confidence level is totally ZERO to Gov Hospitals.</p>
<p>Details, pls go through below news (about my wife issue) from Health Ministry.</p>
<p>TheStar June 29th reported The Health Ministry has denied that a woman died at the Penang Hospital in October last year due to a delay in sending her to the hospital because the ambulance was out of petrol. </p>
<p>The Kepala Batas Hospital had adequate facilities to treat Yusnita Abas who died from a brain aneurysm, minister Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek said. </p>
<p>He said based on a study, the prognosis for a patient who suffers severe bleeding due to a broken blood vessel was never good. </p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“About 30% of patients will die before they arrive at the hospital,Ã¢â‚¬Â he told Lim Kit Siang (DAP &#8211; Ipoh Timur) in a written reply. </p>
<p>It was reported that YusnitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s husband claimed that the hospital had taken five hours to treat her. </p>
<p>Dr Chua said among the measures being taken to improve ambulance services was to introduce a new ambulance driving training module, in which 5,000 ambulance drivers will be trained. </p>
<p>Note:<br />
I am husband of above Yusnita Abas. My wife death due to provide an efficient ambulence serviceÃ¢â‚¬Â from Kepala Batas Hospital.</p>
<p>Based on above news, The Health Ministry has denied that my wife died at the Penang Hospital in October last year due to a delay in sending her to the hospital because the ambulance was out of petrol. So, what is actual root cause???. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s due to other issue involve with Drivers disiplince issue. We need push them to share actual root cause.</p>
<p>Help Needed from Uncle Lim Kit Siang to press them on root cause of that incident. We need to ensure it not repaet again to other people in future.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: tidaknama</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidaknama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The competent gets overworked, and the lazy gets less work! This is the systemÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.&quot;
I agree with this statement entirely. Anyway regarding pay, do you know that the starting pay as a houseman (1st year) was RM1700 a month a few years ago? At least now it is about rm2500. When we do calls, we were paid rm20 a night. At least the pay has increased slightly, but as a specialist in the government hospital with call claims perhap you will earn RM6000, in private you would earn at least double.
But some good doctors stay, because they really are dedicated. But over time it is not enough. Imagine will you stay if suddenly the government asks you to uproot your family and go to Kelantan or Sabah? Or if others are promoted or get the transfer they want because they have &quot;connections&quot; or can bodek the boss?
Doctors are only human, mistakes and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The competent gets overworked, and the lazy gets less work! This is the systemÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.&#8221;<br />
I agree with this statement entirely. Anyway regarding pay, do you know that the starting pay as a houseman (1st year) was RM1700 a month a few years ago? At least now it is about rm2500. When we do calls, we were paid rm20 a night. At least the pay has increased slightly, but as a specialist in the government hospital with call claims perhap you will earn RM6000, in private you would earn at least double.<br />
But some good doctors stay, because they really are dedicated. But over time it is not enough. Imagine will you stay if suddenly the government asks you to uproot your family and go to Kelantan or Sabah? Or if others are promoted or get the transfer they want because they have &#8220;connections&#8221; or can bodek the boss?<br />
Doctors are only human, mistakes and all.</p>
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		<title>By: gana</title>
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		<dc:creator>gana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to date still there is a big number in actual case that the medical negligence occured in govt. hospital but cover up made everything bolehlaqnd people became always boleh with the thier upper six mentality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to date still there is a big number in actual case that the medical negligence occured in govt. hospital but cover up made everything bolehlaqnd people became always boleh with the thier upper six mentality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingkong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not just in the medical field. The type of mediocre society that we have created only mediocre close to incompetence people are filled up in all levels of job including the prime minster himself. TDM just couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even select any good successor among the nation of the blind. TDM really had no choice, if the successor is not a homosexual, then he appears to be an international playboy or he is just a sleeping ugly. See how Singapore did for the preparation of their competent successors.

In analogy, we originally have good hands and good legs, but the so called abused NEP had crippled the people and instead offered crutches to substitute the normal walking. How could we move correctly or fast?

Good people will not want to mix with rotten people scared that they may be rotten in the end. That is true especially for graduates of any discipline. That is a very serious setback for the development of human capital. A correctly trained overseas doctor would like to stay back or look for some place where he could get a proper mentor to get a correct training. In our current environment of the blind leading the bind, it is almost like nailing a coffin to your own career if one has to come back. 

For the educational fund defaulters, our incompetent administrators canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even devise an effective system to enforce those overseas scholarship holders to come back to serve the country. On the contrary, look at Singapore, they can even offer the scholarships to foreigners and yet able to enforce them to serve their government upon completion of their studies. You just canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t talk about professionalism and integrity which anyway our government itself does not have much either.

When mediocre people occupy most of the positions, they tend to form an opinion to object those good ones who try to improve. The common phrase is Ã¢â‚¬Å“DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t raise the standard!Ã¢â‚¬Â. The so-called good money attracts good money and the bad money attracts bad money takes the effect.

When very VIPs got sick, the first place they rush to is the hospital overseas, and the nearest one is Singapore, followed by US, London or Perth. We can see how confident we have on our medical support, and so the doctors.

It is indeed very sad to see that whilst Singapore is developing high tech treatment, stem cell treatment for various types of cancer and yet we still canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get our fundamental medical treatment from our own medical facility. Perhaps life is cheap in Malaysia. It is true the way Altantuya was killed, and it is only the tip of the iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not just in the medical field. The type of mediocre society that we have created only mediocre close to incompetence people are filled up in all levels of job including the prime minster himself. TDM just couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even select any good successor among the nation of the blind. TDM really had no choice, if the successor is not a homosexual, then he appears to be an international playboy or he is just a sleeping ugly. See how Singapore did for the preparation of their competent successors.</p>
<p>In analogy, we originally have good hands and good legs, but the so called abused NEP had crippled the people and instead offered crutches to substitute the normal walking. How could we move correctly or fast?</p>
<p>Good people will not want to mix with rotten people scared that they may be rotten in the end. That is true especially for graduates of any discipline. That is a very serious setback for the development of human capital. A correctly trained overseas doctor would like to stay back or look for some place where he could get a proper mentor to get a correct training. In our current environment of the blind leading the bind, it is almost like nailing a coffin to your own career if one has to come back. </p>
<p>For the educational fund defaulters, our incompetent administrators canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even devise an effective system to enforce those overseas scholarship holders to come back to serve the country. On the contrary, look at Singapore, they can even offer the scholarships to foreigners and yet able to enforce them to serve their government upon completion of their studies. You just canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t talk about professionalism and integrity which anyway our government itself does not have much either.</p>
<p>When mediocre people occupy most of the positions, they tend to form an opinion to object those good ones who try to improve. The common phrase is Ã¢â‚¬Å“DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t raise the standard!Ã¢â‚¬Â. The so-called good money attracts good money and the bad money attracts bad money takes the effect.</p>
<p>When very VIPs got sick, the first place they rush to is the hospital overseas, and the nearest one is Singapore, followed by US, London or Perth. We can see how confident we have on our medical support, and so the doctors.</p>
<p>It is indeed very sad to see that whilst Singapore is developing high tech treatment, stem cell treatment for various types of cancer and yet we still canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get our fundamental medical treatment from our own medical facility. Perhaps life is cheap in Malaysia. It is true the way Altantuya was killed, and it is only the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: MWong</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean, //dont blame the doctors for not returnin&#039; to Msia to work..coz they havent been given a fair chance to study medic at home//..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean, //dont blame the doctors for not returnin&#8217; to Msia to work..coz they havent been given a fair chance to study medic at home//..</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those doctors who accepted scholarships are duty bound to serve the agreed terms of their contract.

Otherwise they are just showing a total lack of professionalism and integrity.

Do not sign a contract and then deny and don&#039;t blame that on the NEP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those doctors who accepted scholarships are duty bound to serve the agreed terms of their contract.</p>
<p>Otherwise they are just showing a total lack of professionalism and integrity.</p>
<p>Do not sign a contract and then deny and don&#8217;t blame that on the NEP!</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean &quot;lawyers who CAN&#039;T prosecute&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean &#8220;lawyers who CAN&#8217;T prosecute&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CoolMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoolMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Root Cause? Once again, those who are not qualify are doing something they are not suppose to do! Period!

This apply to almost all level of public services: -

Take for example: Education Minister, Does she or he has the necessary qualification (Dr) in educational field?

Those who &quot;End up&quot; taking up the Medical Degree are just another monkey in NEP.

Still dreaming! Wake up Lah!

But like I always said, if that&#039;s how it got to be, why should I help?
I just make sure my next generation is better off, definitely no local university or public health care. Just need to work smart for a better future for our next generation.

The world is getting borderless, Like the EU diplomate has said indirectly &quot;We got to change or else no FDI&quot; or &quot;Malaysia is South African before Nelson Mendela&quot;

Invest for your next generation, get medical cover. Period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Root Cause? Once again, those who are not qualify are doing something they are not suppose to do! Period!</p>
<p>This apply to almost all level of public services: -</p>
<p>Take for example: Education Minister, Does she or he has the necessary qualification (Dr) in educational field?</p>
<p>Those who &#8220;End up&#8221; taking up the Medical Degree are just another monkey in NEP.</p>
<p>Still dreaming! Wake up Lah!</p>
<p>But like I always said, if that&#8217;s how it got to be, why should I help?<br />
I just make sure my next generation is better off, definitely no local university or public health care. Just need to work smart for a better future for our next generation.</p>
<p>The world is getting borderless, Like the EU diplomate has said indirectly &#8220;We got to change or else no FDI&#8221; or &#8220;Malaysia is South African before Nelson Mendela&#8221;</p>
<p>Invest for your next generation, get medical cover. Period!</p>
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