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		<title>By: Skylarks</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/06/27/a-person-who-had-not-been-robbed-is-not-a-true-jb-ite/#comment-34387</link>
		<dc:creator>Skylarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Lim, A weekend in Johor turn into a nightmare, First after clearing Custom I was book for beating a Traffic Red Light, I remember clearly I did not beat the red light at the junction of Jln. Ibrahim as there is no marking on the road, No use arguing with the cop who book me say whatever he want.
Next I went to the Traffic Headquarter to pay my summon, I waited for 25mins before a officer on duty ask me to go to a staircase landing demanding MR200.00 to compound the summon, saying should I waited till the next day the summon will be RM300.00 ridiculous, since making another trip &#38; time is precious I gave in.
Next, after paying the summon I went to pick up my wife in Taman Sentosa, In broad daylight you believed I have to struggle with a snatch thief on a motorbike, luckly I did not loose anything to him. Where are the police, or are they out to make a quick buck fm S'porean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Lim, A weekend in Johor turn into a nightmare, First after clearing Custom I was book for beating a Traffic Red Light, I remember clearly I did not beat the red light at the junction of Jln. Ibrahim as there is no marking on the road, No use arguing with the cop who book me say whatever he want.<br />
Next I went to the Traffic Headquarter to pay my summon, I waited for 25mins before a officer on duty ask me to go to a staircase landing demanding MR200.00 to compound the summon, saying should I waited till the next day the summon will be RM300.00 ridiculous, since making another trip &amp; time is precious I gave in.<br />
Next, after paying the summon I went to pick up my wife in Taman Sentosa, In broad daylight you believed I have to struggle with a snatch thief on a motorbike, luckly I did not loose anything to him. Where are the police, or are they out to make a quick buck fm S&#8217;porean.</p>
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		<title>By: Lim Kit Siang &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JB crime under control? - speak up at public hearing of Parliamentary Human Rights Caucus in JB on Sunday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lim Kit Siang &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JB crime under control? - speak up at public hearing of Parliamentary Human Rights Caucus in JB on Sunday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public hearing of the Parliamentary Caucus on Human Rights and Good Governance in Johor Baru on Sunday, 8th July [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wtf2</title>
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		<dc:creator>wtf2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now they have 16 towers to hide the policemen...Oops! for the policemen to hide in....

With all the modern remote sensing technology available do you really need to hide the policemen on the 16 towers? Will they work or will they sleep there? What is their job scope anyway?  To position cameras? To take pictures? What??? 

I wonder how will the Police Force account for the efficiency of these towers?  It sure looks like this is gonna be another failed publicity stunt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now they have 16 towers to hide the policemen&#8230;Oops! for the policemen to hide in&#8230;.</p>
<p>With all the modern remote sensing technology available do you really need to hide the policemen on the 16 towers? Will they work or will they sleep there? What is their job scope anyway?  To position cameras? To take pictures? What??? </p>
<p>I wonder how will the Police Force account for the efficiency of these towers?  It sure looks like this is gonna be another failed publicity stunt</p>
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		<title>By: yellowkingdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowkingdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to propose the sport complex with a large badminton hall at Johor Jaya next to the driving range and swimming pool. It is located on Jalan Dedap 4 just opposite Tee Store shopping center.
Ample carpark space around the premises. Easy access to food and drinks from nearby shops and food courts. I apologise I do not have the phone number nor the registered name of the building for reference. Perhaps someone can assist here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to propose the sport complex with a large badminton hall at Johor Jaya next to the driving range and swimming pool. It is located on Jalan Dedap 4 just opposite Tee Store shopping center.<br />
Ample carpark space around the premises. Easy access to food and drinks from nearby shops and food courts. I apologise I do not have the phone number nor the registered name of the building for reference. Perhaps someone can assist here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem about finding venue for the public hearing on crime situation for the Parliamentary Caucus for Human Rights in JB on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 2.30 pm. All these above three venues are not available, as well as other major hotels, including Crystal, Eden and Hyatt. Further proposals? - Kit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem about finding venue for the public hearing on crime situation for the Parliamentary Caucus for Human Rights in JB on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 2.30 pm. All these above three venues are not available, as well as other major hotels, including Crystal, Eden and Hyatt. Further proposals? - Kit</p>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
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		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crime prevention is important though, solving crimes speedily and to secure convictions in the courts of law is vital to the whole process. The court should mete out appropriate and serious punishments to deter potential criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crime prevention is important though, solving crimes speedily and to secure convictions in the courts of law is vital to the whole process. The court should mete out appropriate and serious punishments to deter potential criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: SocratesPlato</title>
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		<dc:creator>SocratesPlato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if combating crime is a failure in JB, what about other jobs of the police? Apart from seeing them interested to hide in some junctions to catch people overshooting red lights and blocking roads to check vehicles and catching cars with tinted windows (especially the Singaporean cars - no need to guess why), I don't see them around anymore. To their credit, they do control the traffic light junctions during peak hours.

Last time, after a heavy rain with thunder, a huge portion of traffic lights were not working because they were struck by lightning. We were caught in the heavy traffic jam to the airport, stuck through over 5 traffic light junctions. The coolest jam was in front of a traffic light which has a police station overlooking it! The police station is just in front of that traffic light junction and you see no policemen coming out to direct traffic. How cool is that? Where were they? The rain had stopped so there are no excuses not to carry out duty by fearing of getting wet. The distance from the police station to the traffic light is easily 10 meters away, although this one is not as big as the headquarter that is near my ex-rented home, but it is enough to fit in 100 men with a lot of space to breath. The jam caused 2 hours of delay of my journey to the airport to take a flight home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if combating crime is a failure in JB, what about other jobs of the police? Apart from seeing them interested to hide in some junctions to catch people overshooting red lights and blocking roads to check vehicles and catching cars with tinted windows (especially the Singaporean cars - no need to guess why), I don&#8217;t see them around anymore. To their credit, they do control the traffic light junctions during peak hours.</p>
<p>Last time, after a heavy rain with thunder, a huge portion of traffic lights were not working because they were struck by lightning. We were caught in the heavy traffic jam to the airport, stuck through over 5 traffic light junctions. The coolest jam was in front of a traffic light which has a police station overlooking it! The police station is just in front of that traffic light junction and you see no policemen coming out to direct traffic. How cool is that? Where were they? The rain had stopped so there are no excuses not to carry out duty by fearing of getting wet. The distance from the police station to the traffic light is easily 10 meters away, although this one is not as big as the headquarter that is near my ex-rented home, but it is enough to fit in 100 men with a lot of space to breath. The jam caused 2 hours of delay of my journey to the airport to take a flight home.</p>
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		<title>By: SocratesPlato</title>
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		<dc:creator>SocratesPlato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Lim, I had been your blog reader for many months now. I register in this site just for the sake of commenting to this post!

There is a famous in JB just like what you mentioned:
If you have not experienced being a snatch theft victim, or being a theft victim, being robbed or even raped, you ain't live in Johor Bahru yet! 

You must satisfy one of the requirements to be accepted as Johor Bahru citizen and experience the life of living in this vibrant city. My wife and I already had - we are theft victims in 3 months living in JB. I have been a Malaysian since 1981, and in only 3 months in Johor Bahru, I made the first ever phone call to the police in my life. Fast enough? It is a record to be proud of! Malaysia Boleh!

The person who answered the phone talked so casually and slowly, without any sense of urgency and confirming your address a million times, you knew you made a mistake and wasted your time calling them. It is nothing like the fast response portrayed in the TV shows of 911. The efficiency was far too top notch. Two policemen did come to the scene of the crime 20 minutes later with live ammo all over their belts and a new Wira car where the plastic sheets were still wrapping the seats. I wonder the live bullets are still there today for display only and probably the plastic sheets too.

They stood there chit chat a while before leaving. Actually, I did not even want to bother to call them in the first place but I heard the siren sound just 10-15 minutes after the thief left later behind my ex-rented house. The police confirmed that the way the thief stole the items from the crime scene behind my ex-rented house fit very much my description and did not disregard the high possibility that it could be the same person. I thought by reporting to them, I could help them in any possible way since it could be a related case. I was totally wrong! Until today, nothing is solved and heard, the case is automatically closed. Nothing happened, life goes on. It also proven my assumptions wrong that living nearer to the police station is safer (I live in an estimate of 300-500metres from the Johor Police HQ! It is not a Polis Pondok which can fit in only 1 person!). The safest place is always the most dangerous place!

I totally agree with the creation of a map to highlight the high, medium and low crime zones! It is time we are given this fact! I am sure many more crimes are unreported in the newspaper because people know how 'efficient' our police is. I have decided to buy baseball bats to put inside the house and the car. It is time Johor starts its own amateur baseball league. We need to teach people how to use the baseball because there are just too many parangs around the city. We have lost faith in the police! I have heard many cruel stories of robbery even among close friends in JB now that I live close to 6 months here.

Have you guys watch the movie 300? Daxos, the leader of the Arcadians and an ally of the Spartans felt insulted when King Leonidas only brought 300 men to the war against the Persians. To this Leonidas said he brought more men to war because the 300 were really true battlefield fit soldiers while among the men brought by Daxos were normal citizens who held normal craftsmen job like potters and sculptors. What I want to say is quantity is nothing if there is no quality. Even if the ratio is going down to the unbelievable 1:1, I doubt the war against the criminals (Persians) will be won because of lack of quality. On top of that, with popular Malaysia culture, I don't think this action will last long.

As for the venue, I am not too familar of JB to suggest a good place. However, JB has its more Chinese populated and Malay more populated zones. Everyone knows where they are. All I want to say is hopefully this event will be a fruitful one. I will certainly attend and to be able to see Uncle Lim LIVE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Lim, I had been your blog reader for many months now. I register in this site just for the sake of commenting to this post!</p>
<p>There is a famous in JB just like what you mentioned:<br />
If you have not experienced being a snatch theft victim, or being a theft victim, being robbed or even raped, you ain&#8217;t live in Johor Bahru yet! </p>
<p>You must satisfy one of the requirements to be accepted as Johor Bahru citizen and experience the life of living in this vibrant city. My wife and I already had - we are theft victims in 3 months living in JB. I have been a Malaysian since 1981, and in only 3 months in Johor Bahru, I made the first ever phone call to the police in my life. Fast enough? It is a record to be proud of! Malaysia Boleh!</p>
<p>The person who answered the phone talked so casually and slowly, without any sense of urgency and confirming your address a million times, you knew you made a mistake and wasted your time calling them. It is nothing like the fast response portrayed in the TV shows of 911. The efficiency was far too top notch. Two policemen did come to the scene of the crime 20 minutes later with live ammo all over their belts and a new Wira car where the plastic sheets were still wrapping the seats. I wonder the live bullets are still there today for display only and probably the plastic sheets too.</p>
<p>They stood there chit chat a while before leaving. Actually, I did not even want to bother to call them in the first place but I heard the siren sound just 10-15 minutes after the thief left later behind my ex-rented house. The police confirmed that the way the thief stole the items from the crime scene behind my ex-rented house fit very much my description and did not disregard the high possibility that it could be the same person. I thought by reporting to them, I could help them in any possible way since it could be a related case. I was totally wrong! Until today, nothing is solved and heard, the case is automatically closed. Nothing happened, life goes on. It also proven my assumptions wrong that living nearer to the police station is safer (I live in an estimate of 300-500metres from the Johor Police HQ! It is not a Polis Pondok which can fit in only 1 person!). The safest place is always the most dangerous place!</p>
<p>I totally agree with the creation of a map to highlight the high, medium and low crime zones! It is time we are given this fact! I am sure many more crimes are unreported in the newspaper because people know how &#8216;efficient&#8217; our police is. I have decided to buy baseball bats to put inside the house and the car. It is time Johor starts its own amateur baseball league. We need to teach people how to use the baseball because there are just too many parangs around the city. We have lost faith in the police! I have heard many cruel stories of robbery even among close friends in JB now that I live close to 6 months here.</p>
<p>Have you guys watch the movie 300? Daxos, the leader of the Arcadians and an ally of the Spartans felt insulted when King Leonidas only brought 300 men to the war against the Persians. To this Leonidas said he brought more men to war because the 300 were really true battlefield fit soldiers while among the men brought by Daxos were normal citizens who held normal craftsmen job like potters and sculptors. What I want to say is quantity is nothing if there is no quality. Even if the ratio is going down to the unbelievable 1:1, I doubt the war against the criminals (Persians) will be won because of lack of quality. On top of that, with popular Malaysia culture, I don&#8217;t think this action will last long.</p>
<p>As for the venue, I am not too familar of JB to suggest a good place. However, JB has its more Chinese populated and Malay more populated zones. Everyone knows where they are. All I want to say is hopefully this event will be a fruitful one. I will certainly attend and to be able to see Uncle Lim LIVE!</p>
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		<title>By: MWong</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Plain truth! 

My cousins in JB got robbed 3 times and had to undergo the same tedious, time consumin' procedure for I/C replacements for 'NEW' I/C every year for the past 3 years!

Also, the fee goes up, n up, n up...

Well, we could always make up for monetary loss. But the impact of post-traumatic stress is not so compensable. My couz still experience intense fear and dread at times when they're haunted by flashbacks and nightmares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Plain truth! </p>
<p>My cousins in JB got robbed 3 times and had to undergo the same tedious, time consumin&#8217; procedure for I/C replacements for &#8216;NEW&#8217; I/C every year for the past 3 years!</p>
<p>Also, the fee goes up, n up, n up&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, we could always make up for monetary loss. But the impact of post-traumatic stress is not so compensable. My couz still experience intense fear and dread at times when they&#8217;re haunted by flashbacks and nightmares.</p>
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