At the same time any judge who considers his race and religion first and as a judge last is not worth two cents.

I am beginning to feel AAB is like G.Bush..

I have nothing more to add here and many have spoken but not heard.

Can we have something from Mr.Lim whats on his mind for the future of DAP? Will DAP takes an active frontrow to form a government or as barkingdogs/watch dogs like they have claimed and will always be?

Will DAP change their role?

or forever a barking watch dog..

What does that mean? Does it mean she’s going after another cook?

A Malay is by definition a Muslim. So if he ceases to be a Muslim he loses his ethnicity. That’s crap! Politicians are good at messing with everyone’s head when their own heads are not facing the right way!

” “To suck it in” means to accept it as a foregone conclusion i.e. Malays will have to remain Muslims. Nothing can be done to change it. Nothing should. I am not referring to the rights of the non-Malays and the non-Muslims to practice their own religions. ”

Malaysia is the only country in the world where the constituition itself (no less) says that a particular race has to belong to a particular religion. No other country follows this ruling. Not even Saudi Arabia (birthplace of Islam), or Indonesia (largest Muslim population).

The Catholic Church couldnt accept it.

That was around 1600.

Look at Europe today &
look at the Muslim countries today.

You must be very young or very native and immature!

“If they can choose their own life partners why on earth can they not choose their own religion and drop the religion” Irene

Because, dear Irene, there is a document called the Federal Constitution of Malaysia 1957 – if you are a Malay and a Muslim.

Judges do not make their own laws. They only interpret the laws passed by Parliament. If their reasoning is convoluted or appears to be convoluted there is such a thing called ‘appeal’ and the country’s Courts of Appeal. If the matter has come before the highest court of the land, the Federal Court, who concurs with the lower courts then you have exhausted your appeal.

In the past civil matters were allowed to go before the Privy Council in the U.K. Malaysia is a sovereign state and it is humiliating to have foreign courts decide our law and not our courts.

something is totally wrong here. Well I guess they don’t have the chance to study all other religions. They all live like ” Katak Di bawah tempurong”

“peace be unto you”

There is no inconsistency there.

In the latter case, if one were allowed to choose to opt out, the Religion loses one less adherent. In the former case, when one chooses one’s own life partner, the Religion gains one additional adherent.

In politics, quality implies people will question and may not support the leaders. Quantity, without quality of the questioning kind, means more votes, more strength for such leaders.

http://the-malaysian.blogspot.com/2007/06/malaysian-muslim-woman-pleads-for.html

WHY the 2 judges who decline Lina’s application being a learned man cannot reasons out that religion is a VERY VERY PERSONAL MATTER and judgement should be granted as according to her believes and NOT do the Country’s political beleives.

ISLAMIC LEADERS WANTS QUALITY AND TRUE FOLLOWERS OR JUST QUANTITY FOLLOWERS (THE MORE THE MERRIER). It looks like the answer is : Islimic leaders want QUANTITY ONLY.

Over the years when islamic extremism rear its ugly head, the government decided to play along to appease those who could swing their votes to PAS. We are seeing the foolishness of that decision today. I am not surprised at the verdict. If the constitution is indeed upheld, Lina would have gotten her wish to be declared a Christian. It is not true that she change religion out of whim and fancy. Even if the learned judge is correct, who is he to be the judge of that decision? Religion is after the choice of an individual and the state cannot compel a citizen to be of a particular faith when he or she no longer believe. Just as when a couple has irreconciliable differences and seek a divorce in court, would the court refuse that application? It is the interpretation of the law that I believe the learned judges have erred.

It is true that the muslims are appeased by the decision, but the unhappiness will continue. There must be many muslims who want out of their faith and be christians, or buddhists or hindus. Can their rights be denied just because they did not have a choice of being born muslims? It seems like a death sentence to them and worst, their children and grandchildren are similarly trapped.

It the years to come, as our people become more open and demand their rights to make own choices and decisions, the recent judgement will return to haunt the judges who ruled that Lina Joy cannot leave her original faith and want that declaration properly stated in her MyKad. All she want is a life without state interference. Constitutionally she has broken no law.

To suggest that she find recourse from the Syariah Court is to ask her to surrender herself to be detained and fined or counseled. For once, I wish that people who want to play god realize that Lina has long ago left Islam. If she has had her doubts, her case would not have been heard. It seems that she indeed has found the truth in Christianity. That is something our muslims religious leaders fear, the truth of a religion that could be more right than Islam.

Three Judges – two muslims and one of the christian faith, what would one expect the two muslim judges to do even if they would have decided otherwise, bearing in mind the reaction from islamic extremists, and repercussion they’d have to endure?

Can anyone accompany me to put that in my IC?

The government is not taking us and moving forward in this 21st century instead, we are getting more and more talibanised by the day. The People’s basic fundamental rights have been greatly eroded.