Comments on: Why 5-month paralysis in appointment of Chief Judge, Malaya? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/ for Malaysia Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:57:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: BoDo Singh http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24508 BoDo Singh Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:37:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24508 i just saw her walking in a daze along Jln. Imbi and I thought some reader says she is away? i just saw her walking in a daze along Jln. Imbi and I thought some reader says she is away?

]]> By: DiaperHead http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24423 DiaperHead Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:20:54 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24423 "Freedom to choose ones’s religion is a universal human right" True. So who is denying Malaysians of Chinese, Indian origins their right to practice with their religion. It is all there engraved in stone for all to see: Article 11. But don't you go trying to tell the Malays what to do and what to believe. They choose to play by different rules. That is their freedom of speech. Who are you to say what is good and what is not??? Malays make up no less than 59% of the total population and every five years they go to the polls and vote Alliance and then BN to run the government. The Federal Constitution has remained the same as far as the freedom of religion is concerned. So why is the DAP making a lot of noise over the freedom of religion of the Malays? Lina Joy is just a confused individual. She has to play by the rules. “Freedom to choose ones’s religion is a universal human right”

True. So who is denying Malaysians of Chinese, Indian origins their right to practice with their religion. It is all there engraved in stone for all to see: Article 11.

But don’t you go trying to tell the Malays what to do and what to believe. They choose to play by different rules. That is their freedom of speech. Who are you to say what is good and what is not???

Malays make up no less than 59% of the total population and every five years they go to the polls and vote Alliance and then BN to run the government. The Federal Constitution has remained the same as far as the freedom of religion is concerned. So why is the DAP making a lot of noise over the freedom of religion of the Malays?

Lina Joy is just a confused individual. She has to play by the rules.

]]> By: Godamn Singh http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24308 Godamn Singh Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:52:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24308 How old are you, Good Coollie? You sound very naive. How old are you, Good Coollie? You sound very naive.

]]> By: good coolie http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24137 good coolie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:51:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24137 Edit: "through", not "throught" Edit: “through”, not “throught”

]]> By: good coolie http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24136 good coolie Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:49:54 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24136 Freedom to choose ones's religion is a universal human right. I am sure all, including muslims, recognise that. The Federal Court has determined the procedure that a muslim should follow in order to convert to another religion; it has not decided that a muslim cannot convert to another religion. If in adopting such a procedure throught the Syariah court, the convert is subject to arrest or detention, then, and only then is there no freedom to practise one's religion in Malaysia. The government must provide protection for anyone applying through the Syariah court to renounce Islam. Freedom to choose ones’s religion is a universal human right. I am sure all, including muslims, recognise that. The Federal Court has determined the procedure that a muslim should follow in order to convert to another religion; it has not decided that a muslim cannot convert to another religion.
If in adopting such a procedure throught the Syariah court, the convert is subject to arrest or detention, then, and only then is there no freedom to practise one’s religion in Malaysia. The government must provide protection for anyone applying through the Syariah court to renounce Islam.

]]> By: Godamn Singh http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24040 Godamn Singh Thu, 31 May 2007 19:21:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-24040 "So the question is whether apostasy is criminalized under state laws. It is not clear that it is. Even if it purports to do so it will conflict with article 11 for apostasy per se is not condemned anywhere in the Constitution." Jeffrey For it to be a crime it must be stated so in the country's PENAL CODE. It is not. “So the question is whether apostasy is criminalized under state laws. It is not clear that it is. Even if it purports to do so it will conflict with article 11 for apostasy per se is not condemned anywhere in the Constitution.” Jeffrey

For it to be a crime it must be stated so in the country’s PENAL CODE. It is not.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23936 undergrad2 Thu, 31 May 2007 14:55:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23936 When the Federal Constitution was drafted in 1957, it was at a time when the Malays felt marginalized in their own country by the influx of immigrants and as a result of it. They felt their way of life i.e. their customs and religion were being threatened. Many felt that sending their children to English schools would make them Christians and going abroad for further studies would turn them to Christians. It was at a time when going to England would be by sea - a journey that would take months. It was at a time when they don't get to see their loved ones for three years or more. The REID Commission must have felt it necessary to allay the fears felt by all Malays by giving special recognition to Islam as the official religion and to prohibit proselytizing the Malays who must remain Muslims. Some five decades later Article 11 is given a narrow interpretation consistent with the fear then and the political climate at the time - but out of sync with current day developments, the importance of human rights to the international community today etc. I do not believe it was meant to stop the few among the Malays who are determined to change their religion. I do not believe religion is meant to be as intrusive as it is today in the day to day life of Malaysians. When the Federal Constitution was drafted in 1957, it was at a time when the Malays felt marginalized in their own country by the influx of immigrants and as a result of it. They felt their way of life i.e. their customs and religion were being threatened.

Many felt that sending their children to English schools would make them Christians and going abroad for further studies would turn them to Christians. It was at a time when going to England would be by sea - a journey that would take months. It was at a time when they don’t get to see their loved ones for three years or more.

The REID Commission must have felt it necessary to allay the fears felt by all Malays by giving special recognition to Islam as the official religion and to prohibit proselytizing the Malays who must remain Muslims.

Some five decades later Article 11 is given a narrow interpretation consistent with the fear then and the political climate at the time - but out of sync with current day developments, the importance of human rights to the international community today etc.

I do not believe it was meant to stop the few among the Malays who are determined to change their religion. I do not believe religion is meant to be as intrusive as it is today in the day to day life of Malaysians.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23927 undergrad2 Thu, 31 May 2007 14:36:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23927 "YB you should propose that one of the most basic subjects that judicial officers and judges should take up before they sit on the bench (in addition to legal qualifications) ought to be logic 101!" Jeffrey Law is not about logic. The reasoning may be logical. “YB you should propose that one of the most basic subjects that judicial officers and judges should take up before they sit on the bench (in addition to legal qualifications) ought to be logic 101!” Jeffrey

Law is not about logic. The reasoning may be logical.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23925 undergrad2 Thu, 31 May 2007 14:32:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/30/why-6-month-paralysis-in-appointment-of-chief-judge-malaya/#comment-23925 "Joy, who lost her job as a saleswoman last year because of the controversy and whose family has reportedly been harassed, is seeking political asylum in Australia..." k1980 Correction. It is not political asylum but religious asylum - 1967 U.N Protocol relating to refugees. “Joy, who lost her job as a saleswoman last year because of the controversy and whose family has reportedly been harassed, is seeking political asylum in Australia…” k1980

Correction. It is not political asylum but religious asylum - 1967 U.N Protocol relating to refugees.

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