But I did say Sultan and “by way of extension” the Raja Muda. Reference to the Sultan should also include arguendo the Raja Muda who is the subject of the criticism by Richard Teo. The Raja Muda would be Regent and ruler should the Sultan be incapacitated.

For those interested in the debate, you could visit the “Mufti” thread and make your input. This thread has attracted more than 120 comments so far – by far the highest.

Jeffrey, I am following your comments on the other thread.

Hi, of course, you are right that no one is exonerated until the matter goes to court but in that earlier posting I was just playing judge, as if delivering a verdict. I have read your response – thanks – but on a more serious note, if I were really the judge, I would exonerate Richard from sedition just based on the wordings on face of record. I know you have dwelled much on contruction of what’s the necessary implication of that stated by him. I don’t pay as much weightage on implication because there has not happened protests and disaffection (as a result of and with nexus with what was written). The result of what happened caused by what was said is pivotal. Here we are talking in vacumn because nothing happened. But hypothetically if there were an incident caused by the statements made, I would still interpret based strictly on what’s express on face of record, and pay very little emphasis on what is implied because in fairness to any defendant of sedition, ‘intention’ is, you know, not relevant. The other thing that weighs with me (that is not the same with you) is that “Ruler” in Sedition Act is a reference to DYMM the Sultan and not the Raja Muda (to me, at least for interpretation of what is seditious).

Sorry. Been busy – but I have my response to your posting. See ‘Mufti’ thread.

A final comment.

“…it (your opinion) exonerates Richard Teo completely…” Jeffrey

No one is exonerated until the matter goes to court. Since no one is taking an interest in Richard Teo’s writing on the issue, we will never know. But I believe had it been written by Karpal Singh or Kit, and published and circulated, it would have different consequences.

When Richard Teo reacted “for the life of me I cannot find anything wrong with my writing” or words to that effect, I believe it was a genuine reaction. He says he has only the “utmost respect” for the former Lord President. Little does he know that ‘intention’ is irrelevant in the law of sedition.

Sometimes I wonder why I have to do so, but anyway, for your sake, I have expressed a personal view under the earlier thread on the Royal Wedding and State Mufti. It is an opinion which you may or may not agree (you most entitled to disagree) but most likely you will not like it, as it exonerates Richard Teo completely from all charges of sedition made by his accusers/detractors under that thread. Sorry…..

They need your views on the other ‘Mufti’ thread.

Till today these guys has shown no repent and trying to save their butts they have dragged the whole BN including the PM into their “realm of stupidity”. Using all know “sneaky” ways to improvise on their so called “apology”, they think the rest of the world is stupid.

I have met liars whom think they lied their way through and felt happy of their own achievement, they will ignore all advices..and stick to their ways till the very end. These people are already out of their mind and have a reduction of their IQ so low that they no more able to compromise with real work respond.

You can put them in a empty white room and they think it is the parliment.

Forget it Kit, his invitation is only for the insane. Let his peers judge him in coming election, BN may themselves remove him and replace with another candidate. It is time for Damage control for them.

The “ball is in their court”? Isn’t this a sexist remark?? Of course not : we’re talking of a metaphorical expression based on a real ball from a man to another man and not “bola bocor” from a woman to a man!

His perversion is how he link an adminstrative issue into a sexual one. To him sex is about conquest and domination and women are objects of his pleasure and desires.

He is just sick, plain and simple

hahahhahahhahhahah…

no harm….
I bet he’ll lose. I will not vote for him. So does many others this time.

In fact, I’m going to vote for anything OTHER THAN Barisan Nasional.

I dont care if it’s PAS , DAP or PKR.. or even independant.

No more BN for me.

FED UP WITH CORRUPTION, RACISM, SEXISM, INEFFICIENCY and most importantly, POVERTY.

BN had made the poor malay poorer….
MALAY must all unite to fight against a system that does them no benefit.. do not take NEP as a REWARD.

NEP is not a REWARD… it’s a tool that makes rich Malay richer….

Please, any opposition that read this… we don’t want NEP and ISA.

Screw you guys from BN…. middle finger for Khairy.

The 2 clowns are supposed to be sacked by any standard. The challenge make me wonder of 2 things:

1. Bung Mohktar is naive to think that he will be fielded by BN again after all the stupid things he said.

2. He knows too well how BN works. No matter what happens, what MPs did or say ( & how shamefull it is to Malaysia), he will be fielded again.

Judging from the past, may be 2. is more relevant.

These two country bumpkins did not utter derogatory remarks to their counterparts in Parliament on foreign soil. It would be different if when invited to address the U.S. Congress they make those same remarks about U.S. Congress women.