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	<title>Comments on: RM534.8 million commission for  Scorpene submarines &#8211; why Perimekar?</title>
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		<title>By: Police Wages in Malaysia: A Disgrace! &#171; tim thinks that***</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-204954</link>
		<dc:creator>Police Wages in Malaysia: A Disgrace! &#171; tim thinks that***</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;ve forgotten, these RM3.4 billion subs are the same ones that saw another RM540mil contract &#8220;maintain&#8221; them awarded to Razak Baginda&#8217;s company. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;ve forgotten, these RM3.4 billion subs are the same ones that saw another RM540mil contract &#8220;maintain&#8221; them awarded to Razak Baginda&#8217;s company. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jelas.info &#187; Selangor, Altantuya, Submarines</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-192280</link>
		<dc:creator>jelas.info &#187; Selangor, Altantuya, Submarines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am reminded as well of the inconceivably huge amount of money associated with the purchase of this submarine - RM 530 million commission to Abdul Razak Baginda&#8217;s Perimekar. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I am reminded as well of the inconceivably huge amount of money associated with the purchase of this submarine &#8211; RM 530 million commission to Abdul Razak Baginda&#8217;s Perimekar. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JACK THE RIPPER</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-15105</link>
		<dc:creator>JACK THE RIPPER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amount of big sum should have invest on the Bomba force, Sea-speed boat for Border Patrol Units to prevent pirates from threatening our fishermen + at the sametimes improve the massive illegal immigrants entry thru sea.

The gist is what the hell we need submarine is for???? Despite the commission. 
Are we going to having war with our neighbors countries. 

Having so much of fund we can do so many things, sigh.. what a corrupted Umno Junky. 

What if im a Prime Minister...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of big sum should have invest on the Bomba force, Sea-speed boat for Border Patrol Units to prevent pirates from threatening our fishermen + at the sametimes improve the massive illegal immigrants entry thru sea.</p>
<p>The gist is what the hell we need submarine is for???? Despite the commission.<br />
Are we going to having war with our neighbors countries. </p>
<p>Having so much of fund we can do so many things, sigh.. what a corrupted Umno Junky. </p>
<p>What if im a Prime Minister&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ihavesomethingtosay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihavesomethingtosay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will be told sometime in the near future that China and Japan is a threat and it is ok to invest in a missle defence shield and cruise missiles.......

Why not invest in a few more coconut head? and some banana plantation, so that we might all listern to a few of those coconut heads and become fast - a truly asian banana republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will be told sometime in the near future that China and Japan is a threat and it is ok to invest in a missle defence shield and cruise missiles&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Why not invest in a few more coconut head? and some banana plantation, so that we might all listern to a few of those coconut heads and become fast &#8211; a truly asian banana republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stealing or money grabbing is not the domain of the Chinese.  It is the domain of those who have been in power for too long - supported by an ignorant electorate - and who think that they can get away with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stealing or money grabbing is not the domain of the Chinese.  It is the domain of those who have been in power for too long &#8211; supported by an ignorant electorate &#8211; and who think that they can get away with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: bbtan</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12755</link>
		<dc:creator>bbtan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is surprising that this money grabbing people (and they say that the Chinese are greedy) sometimes try to  impart their Islamic values to the rest of Malaysians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is surprising that this money grabbing people (and they say that the Chinese are greedy) sometimes try to  impart their Islamic values to the rest of Malaysians.</p>
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		<title>By: kurakura</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12750</link>
		<dc:creator>kurakura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawn.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: accountability</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12743</link>
		<dc:creator>accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deny all they want lah - nobody believes them anymore

(except for the uneducated-rural and politically-brainwashed folks - eg. batu talam, machap, ijok...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deny all they want lah &#8211; nobody believes them anymore</p>
<p>(except for the uneducated-rural and politically-brainwashed folks &#8211; eg. batu talam, machap, ijok&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12714</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 11:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We may be seeing a new era for Malaysia. 

It is the era of collapsing bridges, falling buildings, buildings on fire, derailing of trains and now crashing of airplanes and sinking submarines!

Malaysia is good at politicizing issues which have nothing to do with politics and which should have remained that way. It began with language and education, moving to religion and now defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may be seeing a new era for Malaysia. </p>
<p>It is the era of collapsing bridges, falling buildings, buildings on fire, derailing of trains and now crashing of airplanes and sinking submarines!</p>
<p>Malaysia is good at politicizing issues which have nothing to do with politics and which should have remained that way. It began with language and education, moving to religion and now defense.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12712</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 11:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>French submarines, Sukhoi jets and Altanuya are a volatile combination - unstable  at best. Now we see the emergence of the middleman shell company the conduit and the cover to all things illegal and all matters unlawful.

Malaysians are so intrigued by it all that they forget to ask why the country needs the French submarines and the Sukhoi jets not only as opposed to other submarines and other fighter jets from  sources other than France and Russia, but why the country needs them at all!

The French are not held in high regard this side of the western hemisphere when it comes to integrity. Neither are the Russians. Is that the reason why these self-serving UMNO leaders choose to do business with them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>French submarines, Sukhoi jets and Altanuya are a volatile combination &#8211; unstable  at best. Now we see the emergence of the middleman shell company the conduit and the cover to all things illegal and all matters unlawful.</p>
<p>Malaysians are so intrigued by it all that they forget to ask why the country needs the French submarines and the Sukhoi jets not only as opposed to other submarines and other fighter jets from  sources other than France and Russia, but why the country needs them at all!</p>
<p>The French are not held in high regard this side of the western hemisphere when it comes to integrity. Neither are the Russians. Is that the reason why these self-serving UMNO leaders choose to do business with them?</p>
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		<title>By: lakshy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12695</link>
		<dc:creator>lakshy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t someone mention in parliament that there was no payment of commission by the government?  Was it not then said that if the russians or french wanted to pay commission it was upto them?  But of course malaysians are so bodoh as to think that the french or russians would have paid commissions out of the goodness of their heart and not by increasing the supply price,  which is paid for by taxpayers money.  

Now how come you have a different spin coming from mindef?  Which is true?  Someone must have misled parliament then?  Why not gat PAC and ACA to investigate this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t someone mention in parliament that there was no payment of commission by the government?  Was it not then said that if the russians or french wanted to pay commission it was upto them?  But of course malaysians are so bodoh as to think that the french or russians would have paid commissions out of the goodness of their heart and not by increasing the supply price,  which is paid for by taxpayers money.  </p>
<p>Now how come you have a different spin coming from mindef?  Which is true?  Someone must have misled parliament then?  Why not gat PAC and ACA to investigate this?</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12642</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 06:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razak Baginda owns Ombak Laut--- so the government will stop any more queries because it will be subjudice to the Altantuya murder case. Next, all matters pertaining to Perimekar, Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera, Boustead Holdings Bhd and KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd will be classified under the OSA. And then the ISA will be applied on those who try to link Razak Baginda with Altantuya, in effect throwing out all the charges against the former. Welcome to justice and democracy, Taliban-style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razak Baginda owns Ombak Laut&#8212; so the government will stop any more queries because it will be subjudice to the Altantuya murder case. Next, all matters pertaining to Perimekar, Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera, Boustead Holdings Bhd and KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd will be classified under the OSA. And then the ISA will be applied on those who try to link Razak Baginda with Altantuya, in effect throwing out all the charges against the former. Welcome to justice and democracy, Taliban-style.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12639</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheriff singh

I think the AG&#039;s office is using all their brainpower to read the report on the IPCMC.

So far they have reached page 25 of the Introduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheriff singh</p>
<p>I think the AG&#8217;s office is using all their brainpower to read the report on the IPCMC.</p>
<p>So far they have reached page 25 of the Introduction.</p>
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		<title>By: sheriff singh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12638</link>
		<dc:creator>sheriff singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 05:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the DPP is smart and brave enough, they can try and raise these issues when Altantuya&#039;s murder trial come up for hearing in June as perhaps Altantuya knew something.

But that would be wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the DPP is smart and brave enough, they can try and raise these issues when Altantuya&#8217;s murder trial come up for hearing in June as perhaps Altantuya knew something.</p>
<p>But that would be wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12632</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 05:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RM534.8 mil can lift a lot of hardcore poor Malaysians out of poverty but it went in to the pockets of a few cronies. This is a clear case of how corruptions and cronies of the ruling party destroy Malaysia bit by bit, abandoning the poor rakyats, gabe them false promises and continue to torture them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RM534.8 mil can lift a lot of hardcore poor Malaysians out of poverty but it went in to the pockets of a few cronies. This is a clear case of how corruptions and cronies of the ruling party destroy Malaysia bit by bit, abandoning the poor rakyats, gabe them false promises and continue to torture them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimm</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the BN policies and controlling the goverment, allows them to create &#039;internal&#039; wealth. All senior goverment officers and key figures in GLC happens to be a form of instruments (ATM) for the cash flow and balance sheet. As TDM have done well to his earlier master plan to craft out such &#039;harmonised&#039; wealth sharing equity to those who believe and willing to work with his team. They all have signed a form of MOU with protection from the law of this country and the ruler council. All these are a form of structure planning making Malaysia a much richer country and able to compete with the rest of the world especially in economic areas. 
Believe it or not, it have created a personal &#039;ATMs&#039; to those who knows how to slot in along these opportunities gaps and will not be purnish after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the BN policies and controlling the goverment, allows them to create &#8216;internal&#8217; wealth. All senior goverment officers and key figures in GLC happens to be a form of instruments (ATM) for the cash flow and balance sheet. As TDM have done well to his earlier master plan to craft out such &#8216;harmonised&#8217; wealth sharing equity to those who believe and willing to work with his team. They all have signed a form of MOU with protection from the law of this country and the ruler council. All these are a form of structure planning making Malaysia a much richer country and able to compete with the rest of the world especially in economic areas.<br />
Believe it or not, it have created a personal &#8216;ATMs&#8217; to those who knows how to slot in along these opportunities gaps and will not be purnish after all.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12612</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What kind of support and coordination services that Perimekar can provide that the Defence Ministry is not capable of providing? Well, take the analogy of a school teacher giving private tuition to students from his/her school classes. The students taking tuition will be given school exam tips and sample answers not given to those not taking tuition from the above teachers. In short, money can open many doors, including the door to hell in the case of the mongol interpreter&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What kind of support and coordination services that Perimekar can provide that the Defence Ministry is not capable of providing? Well, take the analogy of a school teacher giving private tuition to students from his/her school classes. The students taking tuition will be given school exam tips and sample answers not given to those not taking tuition from the above teachers. In short, money can open many doors, including the door to hell in the case of the mongol interpreter</i></p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/03/rm5348-million-commission-for-scorpene-submarines-why-perimekar/comment-page-1/#comment-12607</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the French defence industry has been corrupted for some years now.

Some months back there was a insight(BBC) report on what went on with defence projects involving Dassault industries and the defence minister was implicated with a few witnesses missing or killed in mysterious circumstances. A few high-class madames were mentioned in the story

- but no one blown to bits.
That&#039;s a Malaysian first.
If one analyses the kind of work done for such a hefty fee, it could include the following:

Check documents are in order
Check goods in working order before shipment
Check goods delivered safely
Check end users properly trained
Prepare maintenance contracts  

Not bad for a few days work over the six-year contract.
Oh I forgot to add
Entertaining the rich and famous at luxury lifestyle resorts. That&#039;s requires real moolah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the French defence industry has been corrupted for some years now.</p>
<p>Some months back there was a insight(BBC) report on what went on with defence projects involving Dassault industries and the defence minister was implicated with a few witnesses missing or killed in mysterious circumstances. A few high-class madames were mentioned in the story</p>
<p>- but no one blown to bits.<br />
That&#8217;s a Malaysian first.<br />
If one analyses the kind of work done for such a hefty fee, it could include the following:</p>
<p>Check documents are in order<br />
Check goods in working order before shipment<br />
Check goods delivered safely<br />
Check end users properly trained<br />
Prepare maintenance contracts  </p>
<p>Not bad for a few days work over the six-year contract.<br />
Oh I forgot to add<br />
Entertaining the rich and famous at luxury lifestyle resorts. That&#8217;s requires real moolah.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To do business in Bolehland, whether you&#039;re a foreigner or local - abide by the above table and under table rules. Lest, it is a hazard to actually do an honest trade / business in Bolehland where apa-apa pun boleh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To do business in Bolehland, whether you&#8217;re a foreigner or local &#8211; abide by the above table and under table rules. Lest, it is a hazard to actually do an honest trade / business in Bolehland where apa-apa pun boleh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is not government&#039;s money. it is PEOPLE&#039;s MONEY. We should all wise up to this fact before the next election. Whatever goodies given to bribed Machap and Ijok people, are all from PEOPLE&#039;s MONEY. No wonder we&#039;re getting more and more corrupted by the years. It is above table now as said by Tun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is not government&#8217;s money. it is PEOPLE&#8217;s MONEY. We should all wise up to this fact before the next election. Whatever goodies given to bribed Machap and Ijok people, are all from PEOPLE&#8217;s MONEY. No wonder we&#8217;re getting more and more corrupted by the years. It is above table now as said by Tun.</p>
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