Singapore Malays better off than Chinese in Malaysia
by Richard Teo
It is rather ironic that Baki Aminuddin could venture to write in Malayisakini that “S’pore Malays worse off than Chinese here” when in fact the opposite is the truth.
Before I begin to answer his fallacious argument I would like to pose one very simple question to him. If S’pore Malays are really worse off in Singapore why is there no exodus of Malays from S’pore to Malaysia? Instead the opposite is happening where the Chinese are making a beeline to Singapore for work and education?
Baki is naive to deny that LKY’s statement that the BN govt is systemmatically marginalising the Chinese and non-Malays. Before condemning the S’pore govt of marginalising the Malays and their education Baki should support his assertion with facts rather
than spurious allegations.
There is no official policy to deny the Malays the chance to further their education till tertiary level provided they have the abilty to compete on a level playing field. Can Baki honestly say that the Chinese and non-Malays in Malaysia are given the same opportunity in education? Is it not a fact that Malays are exclusively given places in Mara schools where with their one year matriculation exams they can hop into any of the local universities whereas non-Malays have to undergo the more rigorous two year STPM exam to gain admission?
Baki must be living in a different planet if he does not know that the NEP is a policy marginalising the non-Malays. Can he pin-point any specific policy in S’pore where there is such a policy of blatant discrimination against the Malays?
Baki fails even to understand that S’pore practices meritocracy and if a Malay is capable he can hold any post and this is vindicated by the post of President being held by an Indian.Similarly, the post of foreign minister and finance are also held by Indians.
It is really sad that people like Baki who are so used to the easy life with all the perks they enjoy in Malaysia that they tend to forget that what they abundantly get is at the expense of the non-Malays.
I would strongly urge Baki and those Malays who accept his illusory perception of the S’pore Malays to read a letter written by an illustrous Singaporean Malay, Dr.Syed Alwi, who wrote an article about the “The Malaysian Malay”.
Perhaps it would be appropriate for me to quote some words of wisdom from this great Singaporean Malay,”No one owes Malaysian Malays a living. Let me assure you that should Malaysia fails- the Malaysian Malays will suffer enormously.”

#1 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 9:57 pm
“Wow, Malay Singapore compare to Mexican in US? Why don’t compare with Chinese in US? Chinese is the minority in US.” kelangman88
Yes, you could. But Mexicans and Hispanics are a larger minority. Malays in Singapore make up some 15% of the total population of Singapore – a significant minority. Asians in the U.S. make up a very small minority – some 4%. Chinese be they nationals of China or Malaysia etc make up a tiny fraction of that 4% of the total population of some 280 million.
Hence I feel the comparison is more in keeping with their numbers though the problems they face are no less relevant.
#2 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:03 pm
“I don’t (see) a single bias (in) government policy against Mexican in US..” kelangman88
As I type there are thousands in the streets of L.A. to quote just one city demonstrating against the U.S. government crackdown on Mexican nationals and other Hispanics and others – separating them from their U.S. citizen kids through deportation.
How do you justify separating kids as young as 1-year old to 4-year old who are U.S. citizens from their parents some of whom have been working here as long as 20 years??
#3 by kelangman88 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:13 pm
“As I type there are thousands in the streets of L.A. to quote just one city demonstrating against the U.S. government crackdown on Mexican nationals and other Hispanics and others – separating them from their U.S. citizen kids through deportation.
How do you justify separating kids as young as 1-year old to 4-year old who are U.S. citizens from their parents some of whom have been working here as long as 20 years??”undergrad2
That is not bias policy. That is crackdown on illegal immigrant. OMG, you can’t even differentiate between bias policy on fairground to compete with crack down on immigrant. I lose hope in undergrad2. I hope other undergrad are better :)
No hard feeling intended. But its just weird that you talk like that.
#4 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:21 pm
“That is not bias policy.” kelangman88
I agree. Discrimination in the U.S. is illegal. There are affirmative actions programs meant for all and not limited to any one race. I merely seek to put perspective to what was said earlier.
But consider this too. There are thousands of Irish illegal aliens who do not face the same fear of deportation and separation from their U.S. citizen children. We do not read of Irish or Jewish illegals being deported.
#5 by kelangman88 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:25 pm
“We do not read of Irish or Jewish illegals being deported.”undergrad2
I can’t believe that I still reply to you. Can you go take out a map and check where is Mexico located? Then try to find out how many Mexican compare to Irish/Jewish that stay illegally in US? Again, please do not reply to me already. This discussion is getting ridiculous and not related to discrimination policy inherent in Malaysia. You’re off point my friend.
#6 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:26 pm
kelangman88,
The comparison with Mexicans and Hispanics in the U.S. is intended to highlight the similarities in some of the problems they face. If you find that unjustified for any reason, I can accept that. But let us address the issues.
#7 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:27 pm
P.S.
I am not justifying any policy. Please read.
#8 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:31 pm
“Then try to find out how many Mexican compare to Irish/Jewish that stay illegally in US?” kelangman88
It has nothing to do with numbers.
The U.S. government does not discriminate – then explain why there are thousands of Irish illegals and Jewish and other eastern Europeans who do not face deportation.
#9 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:32 pm
It has nothing to do with numbers or geography.
#10 by Godamn Singh on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 10:38 pm
To: The man from Kelang.
If you cannot have a debate without hurling personal insults from behind your computer, then don’t.
#11 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 1 May 2007 - 11:45 pm
Singaporeans are the lucky lot because they have formed an effective govt. Besides LKY, they have many capable leaders. The country streets are among the cleanest in the world, so is their govt too.
Singapore have came a long way and struggled through difficult times, she did not suddenly popped out and say “Hey, see how successful we are, and we are chinese!”
But back in Malaysia since 1963, Malaysians are so proud because we have UMNO, MCA, Gerakan and MIC. And suddenly we have one idiot called Baki Aminuddin says ““S’pore Malays worse off than Chinese hereâ€Â.
Huh? Why is that comparison come to mind Baki? You mean you can do better than Mr Lee Kuan Yew? Something just crashed in putrajaya, why didn’t you compare that with singapore?
#12 by accountability on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 12:29 am
this baki fella’s column is such a joke – like a typical msian MP in parliament – statements made without supporting facts.
about the chinese being in the rich list?
they made their fortune through their own effort!
by the way, there are malays and indians in there too
blame umno for malays’ decline in language skills? typical of NEP-pampered generation to find excuses and then blame, blame, blame
#13 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 1:12 am
Reading closer, I sense Baki Minuddin’s arguments on Singapore Malay’s marginalisation are thick with ethnocentric cum religious value judgments.
To him, Singapore Malays, forming (say) 13% of population (and fast growing relative to others) are not marginalized only if they form 13% of civil service, arm forces, business, professions, banks, industries, listed companies & equities, real estate, parliamentarians, judges, police force and control at least 13% of the S’pore GDP. Just so that image is not lost, maybe the Singapore President must be a person of malay descent if PM were Chinese etc. That’s the drift.
His key words are, “I have always blamed Umno for not helping our Malay brethren in Singapore by insisting on a Lebanese formula in the government set up when Singapore was to be kicked out of Malaysia in 1965â€Â.
What then is the Lebanese formula of 1943? It was a formula to accommodate the religious-cultural pluralism of Lebanon. Different religious groups are allowed practise their different values traditions, behaviours and formulas of living. Until 1990, seats in parliament were divided on a 6-to-5 ratio of Christians to Muslims. The pact also allocated public offices along religious lines, with the top three positions in the ruling “troika” distributed as follows:
· The President is required to be a Maronite Christian;
· The Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim, and
· The Speaker of the Parliament, a Shi’a Muslim.
The Parliament is elected by adult suffrage (majority age for election is 21) based on a system of proportional representation (% of population) for the various religious groups.
If Baki Minuddin believes the Lebanese Formula would be fair to Singaporean Malays in a predominant Chinese majority situation, then I think what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he should advocate such a system in Malaysia where parliamentary representation should be proportional based on percentages of minority Chinese and Indians, extended to civil service, arm forces, business, professions, banks, industries, listed companies & equities, real estate, parliamentarians, judges, police force etc.
Baki Minuddin said “since 1965, has there been another Malay president or a Malay senior minister, let alone deputy prime minister, defence minister or foreign minister in Singapore? I guess the only prominent Malay in Singapore now is the portrait on the Singapore dollarâ€Â.
I have to ask him whether in his own country there is also a Chinese or Indian president senior minister, let alone deputy prime minister, defence minister or foreign minister – not counting the exclusion from the Ringgit!
Baki Minuddin went on : “In so far as the Chinese in Malaysia are concerned, the DAP, by now, should have dissolved itself and joined Gerakan because the DAP has already achieved everything it was fighting for beyond any imagination. For instance, in terms of economic achievement, who is leading Malaysia’s richest persons list?â€Â
Well the richest person may not necessarily have his wealth disclosed if it were accumulated from the spoils of political office or connection. Secondly it is irrelevant because its not the richest but income distribution and wealth ownership in proportion to whole. He must ask what is the true statistics of Bumi ownership of corporate wealth and ownership of banks, for example. In any event if minorities here strive harder and become more competitive and in that process prosper, even they prosper more, whether due to or in spite of racial discriminatory policies favouring majority, it is not an argument or a basis for arguing that racial discriminatory policies (as distinct from affirmative policies), in aggressive form as practiced here, are OK and should be perpetuated here – or wrong not to be replicated in Singapore. That’s what he is implying by saying Singapore’s Malays are more marginalized than Non Malays here.
Personally I am prepared to concede to more affirmative action (besides Mendaki and waiver of fees at tertiary level) being adopted in S’pore to help the more disadvantaged socio-economic segment of S’pore Malays but that ought to tantamount to the kind of cradle to death crutch and subsidies system that is being implemented here, which not only fails to rectify/correct TDM’s cultural deficit syndrome but aggravate and perpetuate it.
#14 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 1:17 am
Sorry typo Omission in 4th line from bottom – ” but that ought NOT to tantamount to the kind of cradle to death crutch….”
#15 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 2:01 am
Jeffrey,
The use of the word ‘marginalized’ is unfortunate because in my opinion it implies that people are being forced into a situation because of policy considerations, or lack of it.
I see it as pure economics. It is the effect of the ‘marketplace’ which do not recognize color, race or religion. Most of the Singapore Malays are descendants of immigrants from Java, fisherman and farmers whose socio-economic status were lower, who came to Singapore to escape destitution in their own country.
Their control of the English language and their lack of education acted to their detriment. In the 40s most of the English language schools were run by missionaries, and the Malays did not want to send their children to attend such schools for fear that they would become Christians. They found themselves left out of the modernization process. School drop-out rates among Malays were higher than normal as many left the competitive school system in large numbers.
In the workforce they ended up being in the police and the armed forces in the 40s and 50s in colonial Singapore. Then the post-colonial government under the PAP moved to make these services more representative of the population.
Today you find most of them working in electronic factories owned by multinationals. About 5% are technical and professional workers and about 2% are administrative and managerial personnel.
The Singapore government insisted that no ethnic group be given special treatment.
Source: U.S. Library of Congress
#16 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 3:58 am
Undergrad2,
The word “maginalise†is a reference to relegating to lower and outer edge as of specific groups of people. The source that marginalises may be market place or official government or even laws, which I am not sure is, as you said, does “not recognize color, race or religion†– as I would have thought quite the opposite, based on color, race or religion, and in the case (say) of gays, their sexual preferences.
When one speaks of Singapore Malays being marginalized, I would assume that they are marginalized by the market place. For Singapore policies and laws, unlike Malaysia, ostensibly don’t marginalize and differentiate unless on basis of merits except in sensitive appointment of air force pilots and key military commanders. The other area of impossible ‘marginalisation’ or discrimination if you will is in the area of recruitment of PAP cadres and candidates. They ask around, look for those with good community relations and repute with qualifications, but one never knows whether being Malay is a minus point (unofficially) to the party officials (mainly Chinese).
I have no empirical/statiscal data to support and based on personal observation, amongst minority groups, Indians fare very much better than Malays in Singapore social and economic life and the political hierarchy.
Yet Malays were, I would imagine, the first there, whether descendants of immigrants from Java, fisherman and farmers. They were first to have so called ‘civilisation’ , a social & economic structure just like the malays in Malacca Sultanate before Chinese arrival. The Island was also part of Tanah Melayu.
Today they are no more playing the prominent part in national life, much less lord of the land as Baki Minuddin would prefer it considering the historical claim to earlier arrival and settlement. I have no idea whether U.S. Library of Congress information is accurate that “most of them work in electronic factories owned by multinationals. About 5% are technical and professional workers and about 2% are administrative and managerial personnel.†But if true , it would, for Baki Minuddin, represent marginalisation considering they are significant minority of well over 12% of population.
The Singapore govt’s hands are tied by their commitment to Meritocracy principle. It cannot justify too overt blatant and aggressive affirmative policies like reserving quota of 12% places in NUS for Malays. Sometimes Singaporeans don’t even get a place if a foreigner like (say) a Malaysian has better qualifications to compete for the place. So how to justify it?
But it is a problem, may be something to do with TDM’s ‘cultural deficit’ why there are no more Malays doing well proportionate to their Chinese brethrens. The Singapore govt has to think whether policy wise this ‘cultural deficit factor’ is a fact, and if so whether it constitutes a rational differentia to carve out exception of more aggressive affirmative programs for Malays, albeit inconsistent with the general Meritocracy principle operating for the rest of the majority Chinese and the Indians (who are not really lagging behind, (I think). Singapore is in a region having as close neighbours Indonesia and Malaysia and these issues are “sensitive†enough to pay attention and bend backwards to accommodate.
#17 by pwcheng on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 4:37 am
I must agree with “Not spoon fed ” that LKY is a very intelligent and talented politician.
His retribution by telling UMNO that the Chinese are systematically marginalized has effectively shut UMNO’s mouth from criticizing the PAP’s govt for their handling of the Singaporean Malays. He effectively tells them” do not do to others what you do not like others to do unto you”. To me it is a smart and subtle way of telling them as he knows that they will definitely kick up a big fuss and he will then have his last shot.
Of course his developoment of Singapore is a foregone conclusion that he is of good material and that is whyTengku A. Rahman , probably with the help of Tun Dr Ismail did not hesitate to kick him out. Singapore is just fortunate to have such leader at that time.
#18 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 5:16 am
His statement this side of the Causeway was quoted out of context. It was made to a narrow and special audience of international bankers. LKY did not go around with a bull horn to rouse and inflame the feeling of his neighbors.
“To me it is a smart and subtle way of telling them as he knows that they will definitely kick up a big fuss and he will then have his last shot.”
And an attempt at psychoanalyzing the man serves no purpose.
What last shot is that??
#19 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 5:19 am
“Tengku A. Rahman , probably with the help of Tun Dr Ismail did not hesitate to kick him out. Singapore is just fortunate to have such leader at that time.”
Tunku was heavily criticised by critics among his own ranks. LKY certainly did not wish for a separation. He had his ambitions.
#20 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 6:48 am
Not many Malaysians would think about migrating to the tiny island of Singapore. Many would because of its emphasis on meritocracy etc. etc. Still there’s lots we can learn from them and from MM LKY in particular. See podcast or download for the audio from Straits Times Interactive:
MM Lee speaks to Young PAP
MM Lee addressed some 400 YP members in a special forum on Saturday, 21 April. In his usual inimitable style, Mr Lee spoke on topics as diverse as foreign talent and even homosexuality.
Foreign talent and globalisation
MM Lee likens foreign talent to the megabytes you add on to a computer while Singaporeans are the hard disks.
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MM Lee: Take care of those who cannot migrate
MM Lee said Singaporeans owe an obligation to those who have done the ‘hard and dirty work’ to bring Singapore where it is today.
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Spore is freak born
Quoting communist leader ‘The Plen’ Fong Chong Pik, MM Lee illustrates Singapore’s vulnerability as a country without a hinterland.
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No censorship with the internet?
MM Lee touches on the issue of censorship in a globalised world and gets personal as he speaks about preparing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong for the advent of the digital world, when the younger Lee was a student in Cambridge.
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#21 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 11:39 am
“When one speaks of Singapore Malays being marginalized, I would assume that they are marginalized by the market place.” Jeffrey
Some would disagree with you that marketplace is the only contributing factor, or sole cause of the marginalization of any one particular ethnic group. Some say that the government of Singapore in allowing the identification of race with economic functions satisfies an agenda in this case.
The Malays in Singapore have been left very much to themselves. That is both good and bad.
#22 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 1:20 pm
The situations we have in Malaysia are rather unique. We have cases of isolation among the community, which is not cause by the market place but religous beliefs. Is that not another form of self-marginalization?
#23 by Taiko on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 2:15 pm
I am Malaysian and I have utmost respect for Singapore and I wish to be friend with Singapore.
#24 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 2:19 pm
The real surprise is that Dr. Rahman expresses surprise about people like Baki. The fact he tries to reason where Baki is wrong is well, sort of delusional and even more worrying.
The fact of the matter is that the likes of Baki don’t care for the truth and reasons and wherefore. They are just interested in defending what is theirs no matter the morality, reason and cost to others.
How can one argue that Malays in Singapore with free education and self-help programs funded by the Singapore government is the same as Chinese being denied education, employment and enterprise at whatever level possible i.e., where they are allowed to function is where its just not possible or practical? The answer is that the likes of Baki don’t care what the reason, logic and moral is. All they want is a an outcome that they want and excusable, everything else be damned..
#25 by tsn on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 3:56 pm
Maybe Muslims just can’t cope with ever changing & progressing world, if they are in Non-Muslims country they cry foul they have been discriminated/marginalised. In theirs very own country too they have tons of justified causes lead to theirs backwardness. Writer likes Baki just further enhanced theirs cry foul habit.
Instead of embarking into self-reflection, self-help programs, they just slip into self-marginalisation, self-exclusion and ultimately self-destruction. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries are just unfortunate companions in the process of destruction
#26 by teohyp on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 4:00 pm
Everyone in the world is somehow racist, the difference is whether this racism is made known to the public or is kept hidden or is just demostrated between friends and family.
Also, every country I would say is somehow racist in their own little or big way.
Now, the difference between Bolehland is that the Goverment of Bolehland is actually writing up rules and regulations for racism and publicly endorsing them. You can condemn the US and UK all you can about them being racist to the non-whites. Unfortunately you CANNOT condemn their governments endorsing this…
kelangman88 Says:
May 1st, 2007 at 9:56 pm
“That’s what they tell you. Don’t just talk to the few who are rocket scientists or biochemists or computer geniuses, geneticists . Talk also to the ordinary folks who never made it anywhere.â€Âundergrad2
You see your flaws? Since there’s rocket scientists, biochem, etc, means someone does make it.
There’s some who does not make it. This is life. Some people are born genius. Some are not. Some are born even with deformities.
So what are you trying to say here? I don’t a single bias government policy against Mexican in US or Malay in Singapore. But the bias government policy in Malaysia is so glaring. Do you understand what is the situation currently in Malaysia? Read more ok.
#27 by dumeort on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 5:58 pm
My dear bro and sis, let us think again. I have alot bumiputra and malay frens. I myself is a chinese and don’t know chinese language. I’m been thinking of, ‘ who are the bumiputra in our country get the benefits of NEP policies or government policies ? ‘. Straight go to my mind few names. First, Dr. M then come Samy.V follow by LingLiongSik and the list goes on. Our leaders in their meetings shouted here and there about policies and Nep. Next they sit down with each other and teh tarik. And ppl down there fighting each other.
Mara offer 1000 sits. The formula ? 500 for publics 500 for umno ppl. If our government fair today, Singaporean might have to consider migrating already.
#28 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 6:35 pm
“You can condemn the US and UK all you can about them being racist to the non-whites. Unfortunately you CANNOT condemn their governments endorsing this…”
I agree.
It’s what we call the exercise of free speech – right or wrong.
Do you know in the “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave” that it was not too long ago that you needed to be white to apply for citizenship?
Do you know that to pass the citizenship test today, a blue-collar worker with education not higher than high school, would have to know the name of the highest mountain in the USA, and who handed the state of Louisiana over to the Americans – when a citizen and a university graduate does not know?
Do you know that not too long ago if a white woman walked down the street and if you were caught looking at her, they would hang you?
Do you know that it has taken these many years to bring one of their own to justice for burning down a church together with four little girls in it when they knew who he was?
Do you know that a large segment of the electorate in the U.S. does not agree to sending their brave sons and daughters to Iraq only to die a needless death? Some four years after the war, their sons and daughters are still dying for what they don’t believe. Do you know that some have taken to fleeing the U.S. to Canada to seek asylum to escape from having to go back to Iraq? Yes, the U.S. is the beacon of freedom in the world.
Yes. It is a government of the people, for the people and by the people.
As we often read on this blog what separates a country like Malaysia from the rest is that Malaysia practices institutionalized racism based on its leaders’ interpretation of its constitution. No one can disagree with that. Even the residents of Machap and Ijok could not agree more. But look who they voted to represent them in the state legislature if not the very symbol of a party who discriminate against them.
The U.S. may not have laws like those you get to read in Malaysia today: For bumiputras Only (jobs), discount for bumiputra only etc
But at least they tell you this upfront. In the U.S. it would be illegal today though not illegal at one time, to put ads like that. But that does not prevent employers from practicing racial discrimination.
With all the anti-discriminatory laws in place, you still find racial discrimination at the workplace. These people transformed racial discrimination to a fine art.
Their government does not condone racial discrimination today. But do bear in mind that it did not deter them even it was against their constitution to discriminate, one that has existed for some 200 years. They do not need laws to do that. Neither does law prevent them from doing it.
So before you go weak in the knees in praise of the white man, and scream “At least they don’t endorse (racial discrimination)” please hold ideas like the following in your thoughts:
Their police engage in racial profiling while at the same time denying it exists. They do not need laws to do that.
The U.S. government is the only government this side of the hemisphere which still executes juveniles at the same time when it condemns whipping practiced by countries like Singapore as barbaric.
The U.S. government has the law needed to suspend habeas corpus and deny due process to any party it deems an enemy combatant while condemning Malaysia’s ISA as draconian and an abuse of human rights. They deport undocumented workers who have contributed to their economy for 15-20 years, who own businesses employing their citizens, separating parents from their U.S. born citizens as young as 4-year old.
The U.S. government engages in torture while denying that they do not.
I am not sure which is better: to have laws that declare as illegal all forms of racial discrimination and then practice it, or to declare certain laws justifying racial discrimination in pursuit of constitutional objectives and practicing it.
#29 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 7:01 pm
“Also, every country I would say is somehow racist in their own little or big way.” teohyp
There is no such thing as “racist in a small way” and “racist in a big way”. Either you are racist or you are not.
#30 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 7:49 pm
“Then try to find out how many Mexican compare to Irish/Jewish that stay illegally in US?†kelangman88
It has nothing to do with numbers.
The U.S. government does not discriminate – then explain why there are thousands of Irish illegals and Jewish and other eastern Europeans who do not face deportation.
#31 by Loh on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 9:49 pm
///I am not sure which is better: to have laws that declare as illegal all forms of racial discrimination and then practice it, or to declare certain laws justifying racial discrimination in pursuit of constitutional objectives and practicing it.///
The one to two million who left bolehland were certain that they prefer the former. We will have to ask this of our primary school students in Malaysia.
#32 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 10:06 pm
Is Malaysia the only country in the world where there is affirmative action for the majority?
#33 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 10:22 pm
“I am not sure which is better: to have laws that declare as illegal all forms of racial discrimination and then practice it (as in US), or to declare certain laws justifying racial discrimination in pursuit of constitutional objectives and practicing it (as in Malaysia) – Undergrad2′s posting of May 2nd, 2007 at 6:35 pm
This is an interesting question you raised – Something intending migrants loathe with the discriminatory laws here, should reflect.
Lets do a comparison. Maybe you could give input. I’d start first.
Given constant of human tendency to discriminate on race (due to primodial tribalism), three factors will bear on equation : (A) competence of the majority dominant race discriminating and size of their talent pool (B) perception of majority of minority and basis of discrimination and (C) market perception and reaction.
In US:
In relation to A, the whites have large talent pool and no less competent than minorities;
In relation to (B) the majority certainly do not discriminate the minority on basis that minority are more competent and industrious who, if left unchecked, will gain everything;
In (C), the market may discriminate the minority in subtle ways circumventing equality laws.
Compare with Malaysia:
In relation to A, minorities are largely perceived more industrious and competent in business, which is why (say) an average 85.37 per cent of projects secured by Bumiputera contractors went to the other communities.
In relation to (B) basis of discrimination by majority against minorities is not majority’s disdain for minority’s capability but fear of it so that the latter have to be discriminated against to level playing field.(Contrast it to US where minorities favoured with affirmative policies to level playing field, the opposite).
In relation to (C) the market place (other than public service & GLCs) reverse discriminate against the majority group’s competence by reason of their reliance on affirmative programs and discriminatory laws.
All things equal, would discriminated Minorities in Malaysia appear better off than discriminated Minorities in US?
Lets assume that the weighing scales tip in favour of Malaysian Minorities.
We then throw 2 other factors into the scales : (1) Discrimination against Minorities in Malaysia are double whammy drawn on not only race but religious lines; (2) the fact that laws in Malaysia are discriminatory will entrench, buttress and justify the innate human tendency to racially discriminate; whereas the equality and non discriminatory laws of US and white countries continuously restrain that natural human tendency and help educate majority to transcend over time the innate tendency to be racist.
All things considered, weighing everything which place is still comparatively better for the Minorities on this sisue of Majority’s discrimination?
(Lets leave aside from the scales of balance the factor of the a person’s training and qualifications that only a certain place like US or for that matter Afruica provides opportunities to work and develop).
Do you agree that – short term – Minorities may in general terms actually be better in Malaysia but long term it would more definitely the US – ceteris paribus?
#34 by DiaperHead on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 10:35 pm
Take your wrath somewhere else if you have to ask that question.
#35 by DiaperHead on Wednesday, 2 May 2007 - 10:50 pm
Don’t you guys know what the national language of the Republic of Singapore is? It is not Mandarin.
Since Malays only make up some 10% of the total population, I fail to understand why that is?
#36 by kurakura on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 2:53 am
DiaperHead.
Coz the are not insecure like the Malay leaders here.
They think that changing road names with historical significance to Malay names can uplift the spirit of Malays. They are so stupid and most Malays buy that. Singapore keeps all its old road names regardless of all races. Most places there have malay names too.
You do the right thing today is 1 billion times better than correcting the past. Singaporeans do not feel insecure having Bukit Timah, Tanjong Pagar,Raffles Place as names of places.Do you know that nowadays there are many ex British soldiers coming back to Singapore for nostagial reasons and they were glad that the places still have the same names although development has wiped out most of the buildings. Adds to tourists dollars too.
#37 by kurakura on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 3:01 am
By Tony Pua.
Comment: Human capital the key to growth
AS an economics enthusiast, I’ve often been asked, “What determines the size of an economy?”
Is it dependent on rubber and high oil palm prices? Or the size of our oil and gas resources? Or instead, is it dependent on land area and population?
Malaysia is extremely well endowed with fertile land, large tracts of tin mines as well as some of the highest quality petroleum reserves in the world. Singapore, our neighbour down south, however, is not as fortunate.
To put it bluntly, it is a tiny island, 480 times smaller than us, completely unsuitable for commercial plantation and lacking any natural resources. Even its population today of some four million, excluding migrant workers, is one-sixth of Malaysia’s population.
If the size of an economy is dependent on the factors highlighted above, such as arable land and natural resources, Malaysia’s economy should be many times the size of Singapore’s. However, reality paints a very different picture.
While Malaysia’s economy of US$130 billion (RM444 billion) is still larger than Singapore’s US$117 billion, the latter is only smaller by some 11 per cent. And if the rate of growth currently experienced in both countries persists for the next decade, then our tiny neighbour could soon boast a larger economy than Malaysia.
How is it even possible for a country with a sheer lack of resources and land mass to do so well? How did a country that was barely half our economic size in the early 1980s catch up within such a short period of time?
Through a simple exercise of elimination, it all boils down to a simple single factor  human capital.
Singapore’s near compulsive obsession with human capital, both in terms of enhancing its local citizenry as well as attracting the best foreign talent, has probably resulted in the highest concentration of top brains per square foot in the region, if not the world.
Every year, for example, Singapore provides financial incentives in the guise of the Asean Scholarship to hundreds of Malaysian students at all levels  post-UPSR, post-PMR, post-SPM and post-STPM  to study in some of the best schools on the island.
I was a fortunate beneficiary of such a scholarship after completing my primary school education in Batu Pahat. Unlike me, however, and unfortunately for Malaysia, most of my peers have chosen to work or even settle permanently in the island nation.
My best friend in primary school, who received the same scholarship after Form Three, went on to pursue his degree at Oxford University on a Neptune Orient Lines (NOL) scholarship. He now works for them, one of the largest shipping companies in the world, as an expatriate country manager in Vietnam.
Another fellow scholar graduated from London School of Economics (LSE) on a scholarship from Singapore Airlines (SIA). Most impressively, at the young age of 36, he has been appointed the chief executive officer of SIA’s subsidiary airline, SilkAir, as of March this year.
And when I had my annual Chinese New Year reunion with my home town classmates this year, I was heartbroken to hear that one of them, who is an academic with one of Singapore’s institutions of higher learning, had just renounced his Malaysian citizenship to become a Singaporean.
These are not my only examples, and you can be assured that I do not have a monopoly on talented friends. A local senior law lecturer recently commented that the Universiti Malaya (UM) law faculty was depleted of quality academics because Malaysians make up some 40 per cent of law lecturers at the National University of Singapore.
While Malaysia Airlines (MAS) struggled over the past decade with cumulative losses in excess of RM1 billion, SIA, which split from MAS in 1972, shone brightly as one of the most profitable airlines in the world. Ironically, it was an outstanding Malaysian and a former academic with UM, Dr Cheong Choong Kong, who led SIA to an unbroken 31-year record of profitability through turbulent economic times before his retirement in 2003.
Hence, when Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi rolled out the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP) with an emphasis on human capital, I was pleased to a certain extent. The 9MP had an entire chapter dealing with human capital.
The human capital policy thrusts called for the creation of “universities of international standing and ensuring that tertiary institutions meet the needs of employers” and “nurturing an innovative society with strong science and technology capabilities and the ability to acquire and apply knowledge”, among other things.
However, as part of the thrust, there was only a cursory mention of a “National Brain Gain Programme” to be spearheaded by a focal point at the Science, Technology and Innovation Ministry.
There was no discussion on the issue of attracting and retaining local and foreign talents, a critical element in developing Malaysia’s human capital. It is extremely important for the government to recognise the fact that the development of human capital in Malaysia is intrinsically and inexplicably linked to the issue of brain gain and reversing brain drain.
An effective human capital development policy is not just limited to building more schools and universities, or hiring more teachers and lecturers.
Singapore, for example, has only half our ratio of universities to the population. Yet, two out of their three universities are recognised as among the Top 50 in the world.
The government must give thorough consideration to the all-important qualitative element of uncompromising search for the best-qualified educators and an education policy which rewards academic rigour, critical thinking and analytical intelligence.
Without such a policy structure and ingrained culture in place, it is unsurprising that many young and particularly talented Malaysians will seek out the “borderless” global academic environment in which their potential can be fully harnessed.
Concurrently, the country’s education policy must be complemented with an equally competitive economic environment which provides these talents with fair and equal opportunities to grow in their careers, contribute economically and be compensated accordingly  in order to retain these talents.
Our competitors’ ability to attract young Malaysians, provide undisputed world-class quality education and offer a conducive economic environment has clearly resulted in our loss.
It is hard to imagine that my friends, who have done extremely well for themselves overseas, would have had the same opportunities in equivalent entities in Malaysia.
The government must be commended for highlighting the importance of human capital in the economic growth and development of the country. However, if the government is serious about raising the quality of human capital, much more needs to be done to create a holistic and integrated plan that will honestly appraise and critically examine the quality of Malaysia’s educational institutions.
We must also identify the underlying factors, perceived or otherwise, of the lack of equal opportunities and glass ceilings as well as limited career advancement based on merit in many of our “commercial” organisations.
Should our ample pool of potential talent be fully harnessed, attracted and retained, coupled with our rich and God-given natural resources, then surely we can stay well ahead of our competitors, eliminate poverty sooner and become a truly developed nation by 2020.
#38 by Tai Lo Chin on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 6:43 am
Racial policies and laws only inculcate racial mindset. With such mindset, people don’t look at country or Malaysians as a whole but in terms of racial sub groups. Once this kind of thinking sets in, they’re not interested or concerned with brain gain by S’pore or brain drain from Malaysia as long as the “brain” is not brain of their group but those outside. This kind of parochial thinking is what’s the point of retaining the brain when brain is not one’s own kind and makes one feel inferior or insecure by comparison? Hence more drain the better. What is desired is human capuital devlopment of one’s own kind. That is the previaling sentiment.
#39 by sotong on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 8:53 am
Do you think the government is serious about brain drain, in particular UMNO politicians?
Most politicians do not fully understand or do not want to understand the enormous and far reaching consequences this has on the country…….the country is starting to pay a heavy and painful price of decades of narrow, shallow and grossly damaging politics of race and religion!
#40 by kurakura on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 9:50 am
No. The government doesnt care.
I am a brain drain too.
#41 by Godamn Singh on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 1:02 pm
You have drained your brain??
#42 by Jimm on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 3:28 pm
We shouldn’t be talking about others as a form of comparison od status. As fellow countrymen, we should be given what will be best adopted from the rest of the world to excel. Malaysia should have been investing into human capital since independence day. Every country have difference in running or ruling their own people, Malaysia happens to have some concern areas where there are some ‘marginalisation’ of equal opportunities to all.
Let us focus on Malaysia environment only. She needs all the concern and attention more than her neighbors now.
#43 by Loh on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 3:48 pm
///Do you agree that – short term – Minorities may in general terms actually be better in Malaysia but long term it would more definitely the US – ceteris paribus?///
Jeffrey,
You have make a simple matter complicated. I got an answer from a primary school student. The answer given to me is simple. When you have problems you seek help from government. When the law is against you, or not protecting you, where do you get you help from?
When discrimination is legalised, then you may have to shed blood to change it. The Article 153 was for 15 years, what happen?
When discrimination is not legalised, only crooked people would break the law, and ordinary law abiding citizens would not. When discrimination is legalised, everybody has the right to do it, and some might choose not to. You don’t need an actuary to tell you that there will be more cases of discrimination when it is legalised compared to when it is not.
#44 by kurakura on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 4:13 pm
they gain my brain.
#45 by haroldz on Thursday, 3 May 2007 - 4:32 pm
so true some of d comments here.
if u keep protecting/ favoring one races, other races will felt marginalized.
they wont said they r anak malaysia but instead anak (states of origin/ races).
when u work/ live in a highly competitive society, u’ll hv2 improve urself.
G hv failed to harness msian chinese talents.
we lost some of d top brain bcos of tis.
wot a pity after 50th of merdeka.
oh, im a native from swak bt i think d comments here r fair.
no, G SELDOM help bumi putra unless u r their cronies.
we need more ppl talking about racial issues.
bcos it is happening openly.
not something 2 create racial tension.
we can live harmony if G r fair.
#46 by ihavesomethingtosay on Friday, 4 May 2007 - 12:18 am
“Singapore Malays better off than Chinese in Malaysia”
Answer is simple, Singapore not run by sleeping UMNO, useless MCA and clueless MIC.
#47 by kurakura on Friday, 4 May 2007 - 8:29 am
Even if NEP is allow to persist, it should not be entitled as SPECIAL RIGHTS. It somehow gives a wrong message to people especially to shallow and uneducated people which sadly bumiputera forms a majority (thus I am not saying there are no shallow and uneducated non bumis).
NEP is always a PRIVILEGE. Nothing more than that.
#48 by antz on Sunday, 6 May 2007 - 6:52 pm
hello there,
Janganlah gaduh-gaduh…sometimes people need time to adjust globalisation…
I’ve heard lots of grievances and dejection among m’sia chinese and especially indians i can say…that mostly are working here(singapore)
malaysia is a beautiful country and whenever iam in the bus to KL,i have always admire your vast country…
Each and every country have different system and in my point of view if M’sia practice meritocracy regardless of RACE and RELIGION….it can prosper due to it’s natural resources and population…but sometimes it need time to adjust and adapt depends on the government….whenever i visited website especially by m’sia bloggers sad to see that it’s always touches on race issues and defending the rights of BUMIPUTERA policy….
As for myself, i love my country (singapore) as of other races all of us have fair treatment….now singapore not only mainly made up of Chinese,Malays,and Indians but from other nationalities that migrate here……due to some say security/jobs prospect and FAIR government….
My granparents are migrants when they come here to singapore…..and together all of us Chinese,Malays and Indian worked hard to live on our grandparents dreams…..