Comments on: Forcible separation of Marimuthu from wife and six children – habeas corpus writ http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Malaysia’s “Moderate” Islam under Shariah law means Racism and Oppression-what you need to knoe! « Shariah Finance Watch http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-74854 Malaysia’s “Moderate” Islam under Shariah law means Racism and Oppression-what you need to knoe! « Shariah Finance Watch Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:24:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-74854 [...] April 2, 2007 a Hindu rubber tapper was told by Islamic officials in Selangor state that his Hindu wife, to whom [...] [...] April 2, 2007 a Hindu rubber tapper was told by Islamic officials in Selangor state that his Hindu wife, to whom [...]

]]> By: robert wong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-10184 robert wong Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:39:24 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-10184 Please read some of the articles in www.islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan Please read some of the articles in http://www.islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan

]]> By: Jonny http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-10032 Jonny Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:07:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-10032 This is what happens when our university ranking drops. Too many graduates unemployable as they're not competent enough and add value enough. So, is good to take them in to be the eyes, ears of the masters. And it starts from Mat Rempits as well. This is what happens when our university ranking drops. Too many graduates unemployable as they’re not competent enough and add value enough.

So, is good to take them in to be the eyes, ears of the masters.

And it starts from Mat Rempits as well.

]]> By: DiaperHead http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9978 DiaperHead Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:02:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9978 Have you heard of the battered wife syndrome?? However battered she is, she still refuses to act to stop it. Malaysians find themselves in a similar situation. Have you heard of the battered wife syndrome?? However battered she is, she still refuses to act to stop it.

Malaysians find themselves in a similar situation.

]]> By: Boneka http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9910 Boneka Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:51:21 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9910 How many more of such abuses are we going to condone? I hope the more than 3000 Indian voters and over two-thousand Chinese voters of Ijok would send a message to the leader of our country who came into power on lies and broken promises that his government "stinks' to the core. How many more of such abuses are we going to condone? I hope the more than 3000 Indian voters and over two-thousand Chinese voters of Ijok would send a message to the leader of our country who came into power on lies and broken promises that his government “stinks’ to the core.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9845 undergrad2 Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:27:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9845 What is equally true is that opposition parties like the DAP, instead of focusing on issues that concern all Malaysians of whatever race, religion and ethnicity are forced to go on the defensive in defense of the legitimate rights of the non-Malays. So what have we got?? Malays who see their religion, the symbol of Malay political hegemony, as being under threat (rightly or wrongly) and an opposition who is forced to defend the constitutional rights of the non-Muslim non-Malays. Both are locked in a struggle that could only lead to a stalemate - an impasse from which there can be no victors and no losers. What is equally true is that opposition parties like the DAP, instead of focusing on issues that concern all Malaysians of whatever race, religion and ethnicity are forced to go on the defensive in defense of the legitimate rights of the non-Malays.

So what have we got?? Malays who see their religion, the symbol of Malay political hegemony, as being under threat (rightly or wrongly) and an opposition who is forced to defend the constitutional rights of the non-Muslim non-Malays. Both are locked in a struggle that could only lead to a stalemate – an impasse from which there can be no victors and no losers.

]]> By: robert wong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9829 robert wong Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:30:37 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9829 Undergrad2, you are right. UMNO is playing race and religious issues until their last drop of blood. Because they knew that the more race and religious issues are being brought up by the DAP or opposition party, the more they capitalised on these. Malay knew that once their race and religion is underseiged, they will flock under their 'TAI KO' . UMNO is playing the REVERSE Psychology game every time when election year is near. Undergrad2, you are right. UMNO is playing race and religious issues until their last drop of blood. Because they knew that the more race and religious issues are being brought up by the DAP or opposition party, the more they capitalised on these. Malay knew that once their race and religion is underseiged, they will flock under their ‘TAI KO’ . UMNO is playing the REVERSE Psychology game every time when election year is near.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9804 undergrad2 Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:22:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9804 The Malays see themselves as being under siege, their political hegemony threatened - and the constitutional status of Islam the official religion threatened. The Opposition must be sensitive to this kind of Malay perception if it is to take on the image of a credible Malaysian opposition - rather than a Chinese political opposition interested only in defending their legitimate rights under the Federal Constitution of 1957. It must move away from such public perception. The Malays see themselves as being under siege, their political hegemony threatened – and the constitutional status of Islam the official religion threatened.

The Opposition must be sensitive to this kind of Malay perception if it is to take on the image of a credible Malaysian opposition – rather than a Chinese political opposition interested only in defending their legitimate rights under the Federal Constitution of 1957.

It must move away from such public perception.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9800 undergrad2 Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:15:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9800 "I dun see tis as an sensationalized news … altho I do agree wif u on the part of Malay political hegemony and that the religious authorities may not have the intention of breaking up families …" Megaman The U.S. Government has laws under its immigration policy that seek to unite families. But today it is deporting illegal immigrants with family members who are U.S. citizens. The U.S. Government has been criticized of doing just that - of deporting illegal immigrant parents, breaking up families and leaving behind helpless children who are born U.S. citizens. Their intention is not to break up families but enforcement of immigration laws. But does it matter? Families are being broken up every day with disastrous consequences to those affected. “I dun see tis as an sensationalized news … altho I do agree wif u on the part of Malay political hegemony and that the religious authorities may not have the intention of breaking up families …” Megaman

The U.S. Government has laws under its immigration policy that seek to unite families. But today it is deporting illegal immigrants with family members who are U.S. citizens. The U.S. Government has been criticized of doing just that – of deporting illegal immigrant parents, breaking up families and leaving behind helpless children who are born U.S. citizens.

Their intention is not to break up families but enforcement of immigration laws. But does it matter? Families are being broken up every day with disastrous consequences to those affected.

]]> By: Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » Marimuthu Periasamy files habeas corpus writ for release of wife and six children http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9793 Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » Marimuthu Periasamy files habeas corpus writ for release of wife and six children Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:02:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9793 [...] tapper Marimuthu Periasamy, 43, has today filed habeas corpus writ for the release of his wife Raimah Bibi a/p Noordin and six children, Yoogneswary 12, Paramila [...] [...] tapper Marimuthu Periasamy, 43, has today filed habeas corpus writ for the release of his wife Raimah Bibi a/p Noordin and six children, Yoogneswary 12, Paramila [...]

]]> By: bhuvan.govindasamy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9763 bhuvan.govindasamy Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:34:25 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9763 Whatever the reason or justification, breaking up a family that has been together for over 20 years is just plain cruel. That such cruelty is perpetrated by the elected government of the day should give us all pause. Forced conversions and genocide would not be far behind. Whatever the reason or justification, breaking up a family that has been together for over 20 years is just plain cruel. That such cruelty is perpetrated by the elected government of the day should give us all pause.

Forced conversions and genocide would not be far behind.

]]> By: megaman http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9754 megaman Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:08:58 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9754 hi undergrad2, I dun see tis as an sensationalized news ... altho I do agree wif u on the part of Malay political hegemony and that the religious authorities may not have the intention of breaking up families ... but the thought of them having the capability and has done so ... not once but numerous times is a scary one ... This is plain WRONG and CRIMINAL !!! yet at the end of the day ... after all the suffering inflicted on the affected families .. these goons get away scot-free is RIDICULOUS !!! Dun tell me that they are going to be charged in a civil court becoz they won't as they can argue this is a religious issue that the civil court can't touch ... Seems like they have more power than the police or military ... hi undergrad2,

I dun see tis as an sensationalized news … altho I do agree wif u on the part of Malay political hegemony and that the religious authorities may not have the intention of breaking up families …

but the thought of them having the capability and has done so … not once but numerous times is a scary one …

This is plain WRONG and CRIMINAL !!! yet at the end of the day … after all the suffering inflicted on the affected families .. these goons get away scot-free is RIDICULOUS !!!
Dun tell me that they are going to be charged in a civil court becoz they won’t as they can argue this is a religious issue that the civil court can’t touch …

Seems like they have more power than the police or military …

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9723 undergrad2 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:31:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9723 This issue has been sensationalized for far too long and way too much as an "attempt by religious authorities to break up families" when it is really not the case. There must be another way of getting public attention so that action could be taken, without a play for sensationalism. The fact is these people feel it their duty to protect the constitutional status of Islam viewed as a symbol of Malay political hegemony. The perception is that of Malay political hegemony under threat. It is not a legal issue but a political one and as such the solution must also be political. This issue has been sensationalized for far too long and way too much as an “attempt by religious authorities to break up families” when it is really not the case.

There must be another way of getting public attention so that action could be taken, without a play for sensationalism.

The fact is these people feel it their duty to protect the constitutional status of Islam viewed as a symbol of Malay political hegemony. The perception is that of Malay political hegemony under threat.

It is not a legal issue but a political one and as such the solution must also be political.

]]> By: ethnicmalaysian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9654 ethnicmalaysian Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:39:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9654 An earlier post said that all religions preach peace and love. I don't quite subscribe to this notion that Islam is a religion of peace and justice and it is being given a bad name by zealots and fanatics. A religion is what is practiced by its followers. Without the adherents there is no religion, it would merely be a theoritical concept in a book that has no meaning whatsoever. So I would have no choice but to equate the actions of its adherents with the religion itself, so if the actions are bad, the religion by connotation is bad as well. A religion as practiced is represented by its adherents. An earlier post said that all religions preach peace and love. I don’t quite subscribe to this notion that Islam is a religion of peace and justice and it is being given a bad name by zealots and fanatics. A religion is what is practiced by its followers. Without the adherents there is no religion, it would merely be a theoritical concept in a book that has no meaning whatsoever. So I would have no choice but to equate the actions of its adherents with the religion itself, so if the actions are bad, the religion by connotation is bad as well. A religion as practiced is represented by its adherents.

]]> By: ah lau http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9650 ah lau Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:57:48 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9650 The trouble of the issue is " what is the definition of GOD ? " before one could discuss and consider what religion you are professing ! For any religion to teach that there is only one GOD is the same as telling others partial truth ( or untruth ) because through out history, there were many many gods - no one of some intelligence can disregard ! The irony is for some samll group of human beings to assume the role of gods - leading to chaos - like the Marimuthu and so many other cases ! If I recall correctly, the killing of fellow humans in the name of gods may have out-numbered many past calamities put together ! This feat would sure set to continue, untill the Mighty Science proves otherwise. The trouble of the issue is ” what is the definition of GOD ? ” before one could discuss and consider what religion you are professing !

For any religion to teach that there is only one GOD is the same as telling others partial truth ( or untruth ) because through out history, there were many many gods – no one of some intelligence can disregard !

The irony is for some samll group of human beings to assume the role of gods – leading to chaos – like the Marimuthu and so many other cases !

If I recall correctly, the killing of fellow humans in the name of gods may have out-numbered many past calamities put together !
This feat would sure set to continue, untill the Mighty Science proves otherwise.

]]> By: Winston http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9648 Winston Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:49:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9648 "Winston, I don’t quite understand what you mean by “stealthily implemented this when we changed to Mykad”. My MyKad does not state my religion. If I’m not wrong, they don’t have much options to correctly state a person’s faith. I am Taoist and Confucian. How’s my case? Sometimes I’m Buddhist. How about those who keep changing religions?" - Taiko To start off, I would like to reiterate that Mykad should not include religion. Now continue reading. By stealthily I mean just that - without letting the public know or obtaining their feedback. It was implemented unilaterally. It's not about whether the state can change our religion, this question never arises in what I said. It's about the non-necessity of having religion stated in an identity card at all. You said that "I am Taoist and Confucian. How’s my case? Sometimes I’m Buddhist. How about those who keep changing religions?". You have said it! Does it mean that everytime a person changes his religion he should have it changed in his Mykad? Why have religion in the Mykad in the first place and create hassles when none existed? Get my point? “Winston, I don’t quite understand what you mean by “stealthily implemented this when we changed to Mykad”. My MyKad does not state my religion.
If I’m not wrong, they don’t have much options to correctly state a person’s faith. I am Taoist and Confucian. How’s my case? Sometimes I’m Buddhist. How about those who keep changing religions?” – Taiko
To start off, I would like to reiterate that Mykad should not include religion. Now continue reading.
By stealthily I mean just that – without letting the public know or obtaining their feedback. It was implemented unilaterally. It’s not about whether the state can change our religion, this question never arises in what I said. It’s about the non-necessity of having religion stated in an identity card at all.
You said that “I am Taoist and Confucian. How’s my case? Sometimes I’m Buddhist. How about those who keep changing religions?”. You have said it! Does it mean that everytime a person changes his religion he should have it changed in his Mykad? Why have religion in the Mykad in the first place and create hassles when none existed? Get my point?

]]> By: ethnicmalaysian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9636 ethnicmalaysian Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:32:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9636 Rehabilitation camps sound like brainwashing to me. Not very different from concentration camps? Gulags? And heck, we are not talking about WW2 Germany or the Soviet Union. Fascism in the form of religion is rearing its ugly head in this country. And they banned Lelaki Komunis Terakhir? What rich irony! Rehabilitation camps sound like brainwashing to me. Not very different from concentration camps? Gulags? And heck, we are not talking about WW2 Germany or the Soviet Union. Fascism in the form of religion is rearing its ugly head in this country. And they banned Lelaki Komunis Terakhir? What rich irony!

]]> By: greenacre http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9619 greenacre Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:54:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9619 Professor Spencer .D Pollard quotes in his book written in 1966 where he states of Mohammad's thoughts on economics 'it is better to teach knowledge one hour in the night than to pray the whole night.' In fact the Professor had praise for Mohammads teaching. However the good above turned to something else when Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (aka second prophet) came into the picture. What we see now is the outcome of the teachings and the downward spiral of death & destruction in the muslim world. Malaysia had been spared this but other shifts started with Mahathir with his Islamization in all aspects of malaysian sphere. Professor Spencer .D Pollard quotes in his book written in 1966 where he states of Mohammad’s thoughts on economics ‘it is better to teach knowledge one hour in the night than to pray the whole night.’ In fact the Professor had praise for Mohammads teaching.
However the good above turned to something else when Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (aka second prophet) came into the picture. What we see now is the outcome of the teachings and the downward spiral of death & destruction in the muslim world. Malaysia had been spared this but other shifts started with Mahathir with his Islamization in all aspects of malaysian sphere.

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9613 DarkHorse Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:22:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9613 "When will the indians wake up." Richard Teo I guess they'll wake up when they stop sleeping. “When will the indians wake up.” Richard Teo

I guess they’ll wake up when they stop sleeping.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/04/17/forcible-separation-of-marimuthu-from-wife-and-six-children-habeas-corpus-writ/comment-page-2/#comment-9610 undergrad2 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:12:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=149#comment-9610 "...we are still a nation of laws, man made and not God given..." Tai Loh Chin This is only partly true. The fact is we have admitted God into our lives by way of Articles 3 and 11 of our Federal Constitution of 1957 - the issue is which God, the Chinese God or the Muslim God or some other Gods. Having admitted God into our lives by way of His inclusion into our Constitution, we then mess it up. We are not even a nation of laws. “…we are still a nation of laws, man made and not God given…” Tai Loh Chin

This is only partly true. The fact is we have admitted God into our lives by way of Articles 3 and 11 of our Federal Constitution of 1957 – the issue is which God, the Chinese God or the Muslim God or some other Gods.

Having admitted God into our lives by way of His inclusion into our Constitution, we then mess it up.

We are not even a nation of laws.

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