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	<title>Comments on: IRD should not harass or bar  defaulters from bona fide foreign trips</title>
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		<title>By: 1000 loan payday</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-14205</link>
		<dc:creator>1000 loan payday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 12:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Godamn Singh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-4486</link>
		<dc:creator>Godamn Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goddamn right you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goddamn right you are.</p>
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		<title>By: DiaperHead</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>DiaperHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget. How about felons with arrest warrants? Why stop at tax defaulters?

How about going further and confiscate their passports at the airports since holding one is a privilege and not a right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget. How about felons with arrest warrants? Why stop at tax defaulters?</p>
<p>How about going further and confiscate their passports at the airports since holding one is a privilege and not a right?</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3428</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If the defaulters have the means to travel overseas, then why they cannot settle the tax owed; all of us paid our taxes in good time; it is the duty of all citizens to pay taxes." Kiasu

Yes, also explain this:

Adjudicated bankrupts flying first class overseas every few months to supervise his business there and to see his kids who are studying there at taxpayers' expense. I know one who has been adjudicated a bankrupt, having to pay RM500.00 a month for loans amounting to some RM20 odd millions doing exactly just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the defaulters have the means to travel overseas, then why they cannot settle the tax owed; all of us paid our taxes in good time; it is the duty of all citizens to pay taxes.&#8221; Kiasu</p>
<p>Yes, also explain this:</p>
<p>Adjudicated bankrupts flying first class overseas every few months to supervise his business there and to see his kids who are studying there at taxpayers&#8217; expense. I know one who has been adjudicated a bankrupt, having to pay RM500.00 a month for loans amounting to some RM20 odd millions doing exactly just that.</p>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3414</guid>
		<description>Quote:
"I would therefore contend that Section 104 should only used to bar an income tax defaulter from leaving the country if he is likely to abscond to another country to evade payment Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and not to be used all and sundry against everyone of the 39,863 defaulters who want to go overseas for holidays, tours or business with every intention of returning."

I would beg to differ in this instance. 

How would IRD ensure that the defaulters would return?

We do not know the basis IRD declare a tax payer as "defaulter", presumably, many reminders/warnings over certain period of time and over certain number of years of tax assessment not being paid to IRD.

If the defaulters have the means to travel overseas, then why they cannot settle the tax owed; all of us paid our taxes in good time; it is the duty of all citizens to pay taxes.

So we do not see any issue here for arguing for tax defaulters who have the means to travel overseas but not the willingness to pay taxes on past incomes earned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:<br />
&#8220;I would therefore contend that Section 104 should only used to bar an income tax defaulter from leaving the country if he is likely to abscond to another country to evade payment Ã¢â‚¬â€œ and not to be used all and sundry against everyone of the 39,863 defaulters who want to go overseas for holidays, tours or business with every intention of returning.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would beg to differ in this instance. </p>
<p>How would IRD ensure that the defaulters would return?</p>
<p>We do not know the basis IRD declare a tax payer as &#8220;defaulter&#8221;, presumably, many reminders/warnings over certain period of time and over certain number of years of tax assessment not being paid to IRD.</p>
<p>If the defaulters have the means to travel overseas, then why they cannot settle the tax owed; all of us paid our taxes in good time; it is the duty of all citizens to pay taxes.</p>
<p>So we do not see any issue here for arguing for tax defaulters who have the means to travel overseas but not the willingness to pay taxes on past incomes earned.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3355</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3355</guid>
		<description>To: Tai Loh Chin who says "ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s however a wider issue."

There is no wider issue. If you disagree with the BN run government  and its tax policies in particular, and its policies generally then the logical thing to do would be not to vote BN in the elections. But having exercised your power to vote and lost, you should then respect the BN run government which has been duly elected by the majority - and pay your taxes.

Since defaulting in your obligations as a citizen and responsible tax payer, would be breaking the law you cannot then complain if you are made to face the consequences of your action. You cannot then tell IRD how to do their job.

I disagree with the methods used by IRD in collecting back taxes - stopping defaulters from boarding planes etc. since there are serious constitutional issues involved like free speech, freedom of movement, assembly etc.

The logical way to proceed with non-payment of income taxes is to serve garnishee orders on their employers - efficient, cheap and effective way to collect back taxes. Employers cannot ignore such  court  issued orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Tai Loh Chin who says &#8220;ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s however a wider issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no wider issue. If you disagree with the BN run government  and its tax policies in particular, and its policies generally then the logical thing to do would be not to vote BN in the elections. But having exercised your power to vote and lost, you should then respect the BN run government which has been duly elected by the majority - and pay your taxes.</p>
<p>Since defaulting in your obligations as a citizen and responsible tax payer, would be breaking the law you cannot then complain if you are made to face the consequences of your action. You cannot then tell IRD how to do their job.</p>
<p>I disagree with the methods used by IRD in collecting back taxes - stopping defaulters from boarding planes etc. since there are serious constitutional issues involved like free speech, freedom of movement, assembly etc.</p>
<p>The logical way to proceed with non-payment of income taxes is to serve garnishee orders on their employers - efficient, cheap and effective way to collect back taxes. Employers cannot ignore such  court  issued orders.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkHorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3339</guid>
		<description>The turbaned and bearded jaga in my office died the other as a result of an infraction with someone who owes him money, had money stored in his stockings.

Perhaps the IRD should take note of this and go after not just tax defaulters but also tax evaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The turbaned and bearded jaga in my office died the other as a result of an infraction with someone who owes him money, had money stored in his stockings.</p>
<p>Perhaps the IRD should take note of this and go after not just tax defaulters but also tax evaders.</p>
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		<title>By: sheriff singh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3314</link>
		<dc:creator>sheriff singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creature of the night is getting nightmares, sorry "daymares", and offers nothing but gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creature of the night is getting nightmares, sorry &#8220;daymares&#8221;, and offers nothing but gas.</p>
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		<title>By: achia3</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3299</link>
		<dc:creator>achia3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/03/25/ird-should-not-harass-or-bar-defaulters-from-bona-fide-foreign-trips/#comment-3299</guid>
		<description>Well! I was one of those who was embarassed by this situation. When passing immigration to board a plane to Singapore I was stopped as some company who filed bankruptcy against me. Mind you my father used my name for the business in which failed ultimately and I haev to pay for the consequence. I was not prewarned nor given any notice earlier so that I can be better prepared. The most embarassing moment was telling my boss what happened. The amount owing was something which I can manage over time but having to declare this to my boss, I could have been sacked and there goes my bread and butter. 

Nevertheless, I have paid all taxes dues, got the suit for bankruptcy lifted and now living in Australia where although I pay hefty tax, I know I will get a fair deal out of it. At least where I live, I don't pay toll at all, not to mention we have safe bicycle path to cycle to work.

This whole government system is no different from the Roman regime that ruled 2000 years ago. Well! At least we know that the Roman empire builds better road then than MRR II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well! I was one of those who was embarassed by this situation. When passing immigration to board a plane to Singapore I was stopped as some company who filed bankruptcy against me. Mind you my father used my name for the business in which failed ultimately and I haev to pay for the consequence. I was not prewarned nor given any notice earlier so that I can be better prepared. The most embarassing moment was telling my boss what happened. The amount owing was something which I can manage over time but having to declare this to my boss, I could have been sacked and there goes my bread and butter. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I have paid all taxes dues, got the suit for bankruptcy lifted and now living in Australia where although I pay hefty tax, I know I will get a fair deal out of it. At least where I live, I don&#8217;t pay toll at all, not to mention we have safe bicycle path to cycle to work.</p>
<p>This whole government system is no different from the Roman regime that ruled 2000 years ago. Well! At least we know that the Roman empire builds better road then than MRR II.</p>
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