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	<title>Comments on: Monday PSCI meeting on Zulkifli/Ramli cancelled because of ulterior and improper pressures?</title>
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		<title>By: pwcheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>pwcheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these are expected in this Bolehland. Unless they can give a good and valid explanations which the government owes the public, we will and you cannot blame us of having the impression that this is a deliberate attempt to cover up. Juts play with time and time will "heals" all those wrongdoings  of of those in their posse. They had successfully done this time and again and I believe they will be  no failure again this time. We can just grind our teeth, clasp our fist and see them voted in again. 

   In this land where racial discrimination is bread and butter to them, most Malays will not mind all these and will keep on voting for them until doomsday. 

   The only way I can see to solve all these malaise is to take them to the World Court to fight in making them shed the discriminatory policies. When everything is equal, then we can talk of booting them out or at least deprive them the 2/3 majority. NO two ways about it. It is not the people that are stupid to vote them in but it is the sytem which gives them heavy benefit on the law of leverages, via the discriminatory policies and together with their advantages of manipulating the election commission, gerrymandering and control of the media and probably the judiciary, they are just formidable.

     Look into the possibilities of taking that step, otherwise Uncle Kit , how much you write or we write or shout is not going to make a difference. Our good man Nadeswaran of the SUN had written much more and read by many more but the end result is the same. The little bit of difference is that when it is too hot they will retreat into their cocoon and wait for right time to come out again to commit wrongs with greater impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these are expected in this Bolehland. Unless they can give a good and valid explanations which the government owes the public, we will and you cannot blame us of having the impression that this is a deliberate attempt to cover up. Juts play with time and time will &#8220;heals&#8221; all those wrongdoings  of of those in their posse. They had successfully done this time and again and I believe they will be  no failure again this time. We can just grind our teeth, clasp our fist and see them voted in again. </p>
<p>   In this land where racial discrimination is bread and butter to them, most Malays will not mind all these and will keep on voting for them until doomsday. </p>
<p>   The only way I can see to solve all these malaise is to take them to the World Court to fight in making them shed the discriminatory policies. When everything is equal, then we can talk of booting them out or at least deprive them the 2/3 majority. NO two ways about it. It is not the people that are stupid to vote them in but it is the sytem which gives them heavy benefit on the law of leverages, via the discriminatory policies and together with their advantages of manipulating the election commission, gerrymandering and control of the media and probably the judiciary, they are just formidable.</p>
<p>     Look into the possibilities of taking that step, otherwise Uncle Kit , how much you write or we write or shout is not going to make a difference. Our good man Nadeswaran of the SUN had written much more and read by many more but the end result is the same. The little bit of difference is that when it is too hot they will retreat into their cocoon and wait for right time to come out again to commit wrongs with greater impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: WFH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WFH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deputy Minister refund the RM$$$ purportedl paid back to the tai-kos....?
The ma-chais, I dare to guess, are also at the mercy of their local turf protectors from the various agencies, that's why I believe the taikos and machai network will just have to grit their teeth, and bang balls. Is this what the cultivation of Mat Rempits were originally designed for, I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deputy Minister refund the RM$$$ purportedl paid back to the tai-kos&#8230;.?<br />
The ma-chais, I dare to guess, are also at the mercy of their local turf protectors from the various agencies, that&#8217;s why I believe the taikos and machai network will just have to grit their teeth, and bang balls. Is this what the cultivation of Mat Rempits were originally designed for, I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: joehancl</title>
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		<dc:creator>joehancl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again its Creditbility and integrity. As Jeffery says if you are not serious, its a merry go round, an opera for the public. But if you are serious, at least show you have the will, and find the way or die trying to,Abdullah. SAMA SAMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again its Creditbility and integrity. As Jeffery says if you are not serious, its a merry go round, an opera for the public. But if you are serious, at least show you have the will, and find the way or die trying to,Abdullah. SAMA SAMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before, only a wonderful constructive crtic like yourself would give this PM a last chance to proof himself. 

My advise to the opposition is to gather all email/socialnetworking accounts of Malaysian and just mass email the issue out. Its time to go on the offensive and take down these leeches.

I am wondering what is going to happen now they arrest back those 'tai-ko'? I don't think they will take it lying down. They already took the money, their ma-chais should be kept informed of the betrayal to their tai-kos..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before, only a wonderful constructive crtic like yourself would give this PM a last chance to proof himself. </p>
<p>My advise to the opposition is to gather all email/socialnetworking accounts of Malaysian and just mass email the issue out. Its time to go on the offensive and take down these leeches.</p>
<p>I am wondering what is going to happen now they arrest back those &#8216;tai-ko&#8217;? I don&#8217;t think they will take it lying down. They already took the money, their ma-chais should be kept informed of the betrayal to their tai-kos..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo error : "blonging for" should be "belonging to".
Also assume (rightly or wrongly) a distinction exists between Royal commission and an ordinary commission. Whether or not there's distinction, I am not too sure. But what I am sure is that there ought to exist a body that can 'check and balance' and oversee the cross investigations by the relevant agencies by reason of the peculiar and exceptional circumstances that have arisen of their respective heads being simultaneously implicated by allegations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo error : &#8220;blonging for&#8221; should be &#8220;belonging to&#8221;.<br />
Also assume (rightly or wrongly) a distinction exists between Royal commission and an ordinary commission. Whether or not there&#8217;s distinction, I am not too sure. But what I am sure is that there ought to exist a body that can &#8216;check and balance&#8217; and oversee the cross investigations by the relevant agencies by reason of the peculiar and exceptional circumstances that have arisen of their respective heads being simultaneously implicated by allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget to mention that the alternative to PSCI for the exercise of 'oversight' function over the lead investigating team (whether task force or Deputy DG of ACA) could be an independent Commission of enquiry if Royal commission is 'no no' to the top.

The rationale underpinning the imperative of an oversight body is to counter legitimate public suspicion and allegation that the entire arrangement of one 'tainted' body investigating another and vice versa is farcical, blonging for to the theatre of comic dramas than the serious running of the ship of state to countenance the tsunami of Corruption that has surged!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget to mention that the alternative to PSCI for the exercise of &#8216;oversight&#8217; function over the lead investigating team (whether task force or Deputy DG of ACA) could be an independent Commission of enquiry if Royal commission is &#8216;no no&#8217; to the top.</p>
<p>The rationale underpinning the imperative of an oversight body is to counter legitimate public suspicion and allegation that the entire arrangement of one &#8216;tainted&#8217; body investigating another and vice versa is farcical, blonging for to the theatre of comic dramas than the serious running of the ship of state to countenance the tsunami of Corruption that has surged!</p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>k1980 Says: 

"March 9th, 2007 at 8:00 am 
Sorry, off topic. But very intriguingÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬ÂMy friends often find flies and maggots in their food. What is worse, the food always arrives lateÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20070308094027/Article/index_html"

The NS is pure unmitigated bullshit! Pure and simple.

It's a bullshit of an idea sparked by some 'cronies' to rip off the government.

If the government is serious, they should have postponed the implementation until the proper infrastructure is in place, Trainers are trained and the training programs are thoughtfully and meticulously drawn up.

Now it's a hotch-potch of infantilism and play! Can't see how these are able to contribute to nation-building or preparedness of any kind! This project is just another of Najib's 'cerebral palsied' babies that consistently turn up in every Ministry he goes! This guy is jinxed. How can we let him be the next PM.

Najib must go. PAk LAh must go. BN must go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k1980 Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;March 9th, 2007 at 8:00 am<br />
Sorry, off topic. But very intriguingÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬ÂMy friends often find flies and maggots in their food. What is worse, the food always arrives lateÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â<br />
<a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20070308094027/Article/index_html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20070308094027/Article/index_html</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>The NS is pure unmitigated bullshit! Pure and simple.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bullshit of an idea sparked by some &#8216;cronies&#8217; to rip off the government.</p>
<p>If the government is serious, they should have postponed the implementation until the proper infrastructure is in place, Trainers are trained and the training programs are thoughtfully and meticulously drawn up.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s a hotch-potch of infantilism and play! Can&#8217;t see how these are able to contribute to nation-building or preparedness of any kind! This project is just another of Najib&#8217;s &#8216;cerebral palsied&#8217; babies that consistently turn up in every Ministry he goes! This guy is jinxed. How can we let him be the next PM.</p>
<p>Najib must go. PAk LAh must go. BN must go!</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2004, we gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now in 2007, it's time we give him the benefit of the boot
http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/newsncom.php?itemid=2902</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2004, we gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now in 2007, it&#8217;s time we give him the benefit of the boot<br />
<a href="http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/newsncom.php?itemid=2902" rel="nofollow">http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/newsncom.php?itemid=2902</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB Kit,

PSCIÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s chairperson Bernard Dompok has called off PSCIÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s scheduled meeting based on alleged latest developments ie (a) Mohd Ramli filed a suit and (b) investigations of Zulkipli handled by task force involving police and the Attorney-GeneralÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Chamber - http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/64278

There is no advantage in pursuing the course of challenging BernardÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s decision to cancel. Argument of defective and short notice of cancellation made unilaterally by chairperson is mere procedural, not going to substance. BN is represented by 8 out of 10 members in PSCI and, as matter of procedure, will outvote you. Whether or not Bernard Ã¢â‚¬Å“buckled down to ulterior and improper pressuresÃ¢â‚¬Â to unilaterally cancel PSCI meeting is a point cannot be proven but he has, instead, a valid point of substance that the PSCI should not duplicate investigation into issues already covered in (a) for reasons of possible sub judice and (b) above, for lack of investigative resources as compared to the task force.

Instead, you may however consider changing track and focus on frame of reference of the Parliamentary Select Committee on Integrity (PSCI) scheduled to meet on March 12, but now cancelled.

Existing frame of reference of PSCI is too narrow - to hear Ã¢â‚¬Å“whistleblowerÃ¢â‚¬Â Mohd RamliÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s allegations against ACA DG Zulkipli and ZulkipliÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s defence which is now a subject of imminent court case... 

I think PSCI should transcend and rise above to address wider and broader issues on integrity versus corruption. 

This is where you should bring in the issues raised in your earlier blog thread (Ã¢â‚¬ËœCombat corruption Ã¢â‚¬â€œ last opportunity for Abdullah to prove he means businessÃ¢â‚¬â„¢) and integrate these issues within the new frame of reference that PSCI should and will enquire into.

The basis for the PSCI to do so is grounded upon the following points and justifications: -

1.	Investigations of allegations relating to ACA DG Zulkipli and Deputy Minister Datuk Mohd Johari Baharum should be viewed and dealt by PSCI together as an intregral whole of the problem of Corruption.

2.	For so long as each is allowed to remain at the helm of their respective agencies without being made to take leave of absence pending conclusion of investigations Ã¢â‚¬â€œ the fact that theoretically each could still exert influence over their respective agencies - Ã¢â‚¬ËœtaintÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ the independence and impartiality of the cross-investigations conducted by each agency on the otherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s head, as a matter of public perception. There will always remain public suspicions, whether justified or otherwise, of the risks of each scratching the otherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s back in mutual exoneration, quid pro quo. That such an arrangement is allowed to stand makes farcical the so-called war against corruption and raises serious question whether there is real commitment and political will from the top to combat it.

3.	Yet something has to be done because of the seriousness of the allegations raised in these two cases. The allegations do not just relate to ordinary bribe taking that, if true, belong to the genre of corruption that debilitates and distorts the economy by way of misallocating its resources and deterring foreign investors. The allegations, if true, pertain to involvement of organized crime and top triad gangsters being let loose which pose an immediate threat to safety of our society, especially in such times of rising crime statistics and surging crime wave!

4.	Against this back drop, if it were the top executive decision that the investigations mentioned in 2. above are allowed to proceed, and if these proceedings, no matter how Ã¢â‚¬ËœfarcicalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢, are an executive decision and prerogative that is incontrovertible and unchallengeable, then may I humbly suggest, that as a measure of check and balance within the limiting circumstances, the PSCI should be allowed to come in and play a new and revised oversight role to oversee the investigations by having the top honchos responsible for the cross investigations  -  the IGP representing the police and Deputy Director General Ã¢â‚¬â€œ report to PSCI periodically and receive broad directions on how investigations may be conducted and proceed in a manner as to mitigate public concerns and suspicions.

5.	Related to corruption, the PSCI should bear in mind that allegations of corruption involving high officials are not limited to only cases of proving receipt of gratification and bribes. Unless there is entrapment and marked notes or willing witnesses un-cowered by gangsters, this kind of direct evidence can never be procured. What suffices, as is the case in most instances is where the accusation cannot be supported by direct evidence of any illegal gain to the decision-maker but it is a matter of reasonable inference of corrupt motive for a certain decision that had been made outside known and defined parameters normally operating for such executive decision making. Then there is a case where although there is no direct evidence of receipt of any illegal gain, there is however evidence of possession of disproportionate assets by an official that cannot be explained against his lawful income earned. In all these cases of circumstantial evidence, the PSCI should recommend immediate dismissal of the public official, even if prosecution under Prevention of Corruption Act is not sustainable by law or other reasons....

6.	This implies changing the terms of reference of PSCI to accommodate scope of enquiry as outlined in 4. and 5. above and persuading Bernard Dompok on the coming Monday to agree to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB Kit,</p>
<p>PSCIÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s chairperson Bernard Dompok has called off PSCIÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s scheduled meeting based on alleged latest developments ie (a) Mohd Ramli filed a suit and (b) investigations of Zulkipli handled by task force involving police and the Attorney-GeneralÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Chamber - <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/64278" rel="nofollow">http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/64278</a></p>
<p>There is no advantage in pursuing the course of challenging BernardÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s decision to cancel. Argument of defective and short notice of cancellation made unilaterally by chairperson is mere procedural, not going to substance. BN is represented by 8 out of 10 members in PSCI and, as matter of procedure, will outvote you. Whether or not Bernard Ã¢â‚¬Å“buckled down to ulterior and improper pressuresÃ¢â‚¬Â to unilaterally cancel PSCI meeting is a point cannot be proven but he has, instead, a valid point of substance that the PSCI should not duplicate investigation into issues already covered in (a) for reasons of possible sub judice and (b) above, for lack of investigative resources as compared to the task force.</p>
<p>Instead, you may however consider changing track and focus on frame of reference of the Parliamentary Select Committee on Integrity (PSCI) scheduled to meet on March 12, but now cancelled.</p>
<p>Existing frame of reference of PSCI is too narrow - to hear Ã¢â‚¬Å“whistleblowerÃ¢â‚¬Â Mohd RamliÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s allegations against ACA DG Zulkipli and ZulkipliÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s defence which is now a subject of imminent court case&#8230; </p>
<p>I think PSCI should transcend and rise above to address wider and broader issues on integrity versus corruption. </p>
<p>This is where you should bring in the issues raised in your earlier blog thread (Ã¢â‚¬ËœCombat corruption Ã¢â‚¬â€œ last opportunity for Abdullah to prove he means businessÃ¢â‚¬â„¢) and integrate these issues within the new frame of reference that PSCI should and will enquire into.</p>
<p>The basis for the PSCI to do so is grounded upon the following points and justifications: -</p>
<p>1.	Investigations of allegations relating to ACA DG Zulkipli and Deputy Minister Datuk Mohd Johari Baharum should be viewed and dealt by PSCI together as an intregral whole of the problem of Corruption.</p>
<p>2.	For so long as each is allowed to remain at the helm of their respective agencies without being made to take leave of absence pending conclusion of investigations Ã¢â‚¬â€œ the fact that theoretically each could still exert influence over their respective agencies - Ã¢â‚¬ËœtaintÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ the independence and impartiality of the cross-investigations conducted by each agency on the otherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s head, as a matter of public perception. There will always remain public suspicions, whether justified or otherwise, of the risks of each scratching the otherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s back in mutual exoneration, quid pro quo. That such an arrangement is allowed to stand makes farcical the so-called war against corruption and raises serious question whether there is real commitment and political will from the top to combat it.</p>
<p>3.	Yet something has to be done because of the seriousness of the allegations raised in these two cases. The allegations do not just relate to ordinary bribe taking that, if true, belong to the genre of corruption that debilitates and distorts the economy by way of misallocating its resources and deterring foreign investors. The allegations, if true, pertain to involvement of organized crime and top triad gangsters being let loose which pose an immediate threat to safety of our society, especially in such times of rising crime statistics and surging crime wave!</p>
<p>4.	Against this back drop, if it were the top executive decision that the investigations mentioned in 2. above are allowed to proceed, and if these proceedings, no matter how Ã¢â‚¬ËœfarcicalÃ¢â‚¬â„¢, are an executive decision and prerogative that is incontrovertible and unchallengeable, then may I humbly suggest, that as a measure of check and balance within the limiting circumstances, the PSCI should be allowed to come in and play a new and revised oversight role to oversee the investigations by having the top honchos responsible for the cross investigations  -  the IGP representing the police and Deputy Director General Ã¢â‚¬â€œ report to PSCI periodically and receive broad directions on how investigations may be conducted and proceed in a manner as to mitigate public concerns and suspicions.</p>
<p>5.	Related to corruption, the PSCI should bear in mind that allegations of corruption involving high officials are not limited to only cases of proving receipt of gratification and bribes. Unless there is entrapment and marked notes or willing witnesses un-cowered by gangsters, this kind of direct evidence can never be procured. What suffices, as is the case in most instances is where the accusation cannot be supported by direct evidence of any illegal gain to the decision-maker but it is a matter of reasonable inference of corrupt motive for a certain decision that had been made outside known and defined parameters normally operating for such executive decision making. Then there is a case where although there is no direct evidence of receipt of any illegal gain, there is however evidence of possession of disproportionate assets by an official that cannot be explained against his lawful income earned. In all these cases of circumstantial evidence, the PSCI should recommend immediate dismissal of the public official, even if prosecution under Prevention of Corruption Act is not sustainable by law or other reasons&#8230;.</p>
<p>6.	This implies changing the terms of reference of PSCI to accommodate scope of enquiry as outlined in 4. and 5. above and persuading Bernard Dompok on the coming Monday to agree to it.</p>
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